Colin,
Take a listen on 14.313. While not quite as bad as some things I've heard,
it gets pretty nasty sometimes.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 04:15
Subject: Re: The Sideband War
> bad eggs are definitely the exception on amateur bands.
> At least HF bands.
> And more specifically, any DX band. The crap happens when a group of like
> minded individuals can congregate and can hear each other on a consistent
> bases, every day or every night year after year.
> It becomes their corner pub if you will and we know that a public house is
> generally relatively free of constraints when it comes to language or
> subject matter.
> You certainly don't get much of the garbage when guys can't hear each
> other,
> or they have to deal with band fade, or weak signals or any of that normal
> DX stuff.
> Stick some people behind a microphone and they become super man and real
> tough lol.
> Probably decent enough people in real life though.
> It gets to be like theater where guys are acting or behaving a certain way
> because they've built a persona around that.
> The on air personality if you will for better or worse.
>
>
> 73
> Colin, V A6BKX
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lou Kolb" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: The Sideband War
>
>
>> When I got back on the air in 02, i worried about whether I could still
>> find
>> civil, intelligent conversation. Happily, there is still quite a lot of
>> it
>> to be had. As has been stated, you just steer clear of the frequencies
>> where the bad eggs congregate. Also, it's another good reason to operate
>> CW. Misbehaving in Morse, although not unheard of, usually isn't worth
>> the
>> effort.
>> Lou Kolb
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: The Sideband War
>>
>>
>>> For a while 14.275 was no better, I don't know if that crew is still
>>> there
>>> or not I haven't heard them in a while. 3.910 in regions 1 and 2 and
>>> some
>>> of
>>> 3 in the US is worse than anything I've heard on 14.313 though. Once in
>>> a
>>> while they have an entertaining discussion, usually when they're all
>>> very
>>> obviously drunk and/or high, and will admit it, but most often, it's
>>> idiocy
>>> at it's finest. Not many of them are running legal band width for SSB,
>>> or
>>> legal power but people for the most part leave them alone. What's funny
>>> is
>>> once I was testing a radio with no voice read out and just stumbled to
>>> the
>>> first signal I heard for a radio check, I was a new ham at the time, it
>>> turned out to be this bunch in one of their calmer moments and they
>>> treated
>>> me very well. I'd be afraid to go back though now.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: The Sideband War
>>>
>>>
>>>> That is why I always laugh when some old time ham operator hears about
>>>> 14.313 and goes on and on at great length about the state of ham radio
>>>> today
>>>> etc etc.
>>>> It's been the same since the beginning lol...nothing changes really as
>>>> far
>>>> as people being people.
>>>> No kids, no lids, no space cadets.
>>>> I hear an awful lot of whining that the FCC and industry Canada aren't
>>>> doing
>>>> anything about the 14.313 crue...again, this is nothing new and for the
>>>> most
>>>> part they are left to their own devices because they're not really
>>>> bothering
>>>> anyone except themselves.
>>>> If they cracked down on the 14.313 gang, they'd have to crack down on
>>>> hundreds, maybe thousands of others on 75 and 80 who are just as bad.
>>>> The thing is that those yahoos on 20M can be heard over a much bigger
>>>> area
>>>> than anyone doing the same on 75...so the low band yahoos don't get the
>>>> notariety that the ve6kfm's of this world get lol.
>>>> It's like this, if you go to a restaurant, and you don't like the food,
>>>> or
>>>> you think it's just awful, it doesn't mean all restaurants are awful,
>>>> and
>>>> it
>>>> won't effect or somehow impact your favorite restaurant.
>>>> If you don't like it, don't go there. It's not like the bad
>>>> restaurant's
>>>> food is going to somehow make it's way into your favorite dish at your
>>>> favorite restaurant.
>>>> The 14.313ers stay there and you never ever hear those guys on any
>>>> other
>>>> frequencies...and if you do, they're behaving themselves.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Colin, V A6BKX
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Martin G. McCormick" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:54 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: The Sideband War
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I was still a SWL in the sixties and remember the
>>>>> sideband war vividly. It was going on as late as 1968 and 1969
>>>>> and had all the same trappings as what you hear on 14.313 today.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a subset of amateur operators who think this is
>>>>> somehow okay. Back then, they were jamming and cursing each
>>>>> other over sideband versus AM and today, it is the same behavior
>>>>> over Heaven knows what. It's hard to tell because it just kind
>>>>> of goes on and on for no particularly good reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only thing I can say is that when they are all on
>>>>> 14.313 or 3.850 making fools of themselves, they are off all the
>>>>> other frequencies and life is more civilized there. Think of it
>>>>> as kind of a dummy load. Many of them like to use big amplifiers
>>>>> and, if they would all aim at the same patch of ionosphere, they
>>>>> could possibly heat it up enough to open up ten meters or maybe
>>>>> even 6.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, the sideband war was just the excuse for rotten
>>>>> behavior for that day. The same personality types really don't
>>>>> need an excuse to be idiots so there will always be scoff-laws
>>>>> who don't really understand what amateur radio is all about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for a good bit of history.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Martin
>>>>> "Ronald E. Milliman" writes:
>>>>>> Re the Sideband war
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When sideband was first introduced, it was double sideband; that is,
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> sidebands were transmitted, but the carrier was suppressed. Thus, the
>>>>>> signal still took up about the same bandwidth, but all of the
>>>>>> transmitting
>>>>>> energy was put in the audio component of the signal and not wasting
>>>>>> power
>>>>>> in the production and transmission of an unnecessary carrier.
>>>>>
>
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