Michael,

Of course it is hard for us to visualize your stairwell and building 
arrangement.

Let me see if I understand your arrangement.  You are in an apartment that 
is perhaps two or three feet below the yard outside?

You have a railing on one or both sides of the four or five stairs that go 
down to your apartment door.

I will assume there is a sidewalk that goes along the building connecting 
all of these stairwells.

Is the sidewalk up against the building or is there grass between the 
sidewalk and the building.

Is there a grassy area straight out from your apartment on the other side of 
this sidewalk?

If there is this sidewalk I am imagining, how wide is it?

I assume there are apartments above you, if so, how do folks gain access to 
these apartments?

If there is this grassy area out from your apartment, perhaps your landlord 
will let you put up a vertical antenna in this area.

If this area exists, how large is it?

I know I have made some assumptions, however, based on your answers, we can 
come up with better solutions.

Howard #3

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Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 8:39 PM
Subject: Fwd: Worst Case


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>> From: Michael Ryan <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: 22 November, 2012 11:06:14 PM NST
>> To: Michael Ryan <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Worst Case
>>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Let me extend a happy thanks giving to all in the United States.
>> As my antenna research continues,  If permitted, I might as well get a 
>> Hustler 4BTV, mount it on my tripod, keeping it high enough that the base 
>> of the antenna will clear the railing, how bad would it really be with 
>> out putting out a field of radials?
>> I think it might play better than some of the portables I'm considering. 
>> The Hy-gains I'm looking at are 18 feet tall while the 4BTV is 21.5. The 
>> cost is vary similar as well, 220CAN plus a 13% sales tax and about 50 or 
>> 60 for shipping for the 4BTV and Hy-gains. The properly outfitted 
>> portables I'm looking at will equal the 4BTV by the time it goes on the 
>> air. Sure I won't be able to take it down each time but maybe the Land 
>> Lord won't have a problem with it as long as its not in his way and 
>> nothing clamped to wooden railings or holes drilled in bedroom walls and 
>> such.
>> I'd mount it on my home brewed tripod and bungy cord the pod to the side 
>> of the railing inside the stairwell, with the feet resting on the 
>> concrete floor.
>> I think the idea here is to get the best compromised antenna. I like the 
>> Outreach and tripod setup but would be talking almost 500 bucks Canadian 
>> by the time I got it.  I like the Hustler Mobile resonators option but 
>> again equaling the 4BTV by the time I got it.
>> Then there's the manual band change, swapping of resonators and narrow 
>> bandwidth.  The motorized screwdrivers aren't cheap either and as for the 
>> Hy-gains, there's the manual band change, facilitated by an alligator 
>> clipped wire, moving from tap to tap.
>> Super Antenna, doesn't look like there's a contact info on the site and 
>> Vern's email address on QRZ is a dead end. So there we go. Waiting on a 
>> response from MFJ regarding the Hygains, after all that's who owns and 
>> produces the product. If don't get an answer, they might be out as well.
>> I don't like to deal with a company I can't communicate with unless it 
>> costs me 20 bucks a phone call.
>>
>> 73:
>>
>> Michael DE VO1AX
>>
>>
>>