Bob,

That really surprises me about the 480, but I haven't looked at one in a 
couple of years.  I've never seen a Kenwood radio that wasn't capable of 
doing both simultaneously.  It almost sounds like a firmware glitch.

Steve

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Ray" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 19:41
Subject: Re: TS480/SAT in FM operation


> Steve,  The tones are the same.  I am going to need to forget about the
> receive one I guess.  It just seemed interesting that the 2000 allows you 
> to
> have both turned on at the same time but the 480 doesn't.  Now it has been
> pointed out to me that if I use the PC controls for the 480 I might be 
> able
> to do something different.  I don't believe that but there are functions, 
> I
> am told, that are available for the 2000 through the software interface 
> that
> aren't from the front panel.  It may be true for the 480 also.
>
> At any rate, this has certainly started more discussion than I expected. 
> I
> must also say that I have learned a great deal from the discussion and 
> that
> is why I started it.
>
> 73,
>
> Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Steve Dresser
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:39 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: TS480/SAT in FM operation
>
> Bob,
>
> I'm pretty sure the 480 transmits the tone, but the catch is that the PL 
> and
> CTCSS tones have to be the same.  Bottom line: if your repeater is using a
> different tone to activate your receiver than the one it requires you to
> transmit, you're out of luck.  The simplest solution is to ignore the
> receive (CTCSS) tone.
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Ray" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 16:18
> Subject: Re: TS480/SAT in FM operation
>
>
>> John, That is what we are trying to do. Now my neighbor has a TS2000 and
>> it
>> works the way you described it.  With the 480 when you switch to CTCSS it
>> no
>> longer transmits the tone.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: For blind ham radio operators 
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> On Behalf Of John Miller
>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 2:56 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: TS480/SAT in FM operation
>>
>> PL and CTCSS is exactly the same thing, what you're talking about is
>> something else but that doesn't make sense at all. If you need a split
>> tone,
>> in other words different from receive to transmit, set the transmit tone
>> and
>> leave receive tone off, you'd be out of luck and that would be crazy 
>> since
>> only commercial radios do that as far as I know though I did trick a ham
>> radio to do it once. Anyway, as long as the tone is the same for in and
>> out,
>> when you turn on tone squelch, so you need a tone to receive the 
>> repeater,
>> it will transmit that same tone when you transmit so you have the tone 
>> set
>> for receive and transmit that way.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Ray" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 3:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: TS480/SAT in FM operation
>>
>>
>>> PL tones are the tones going into the repeater.  CTCSS are those
>>> transmitted by it.  That is the best explanation I can come up with
>>> that makes sense to me.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: For blind ham radio operators
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>> On Behalf Of Lou Kolb
>>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 2:32 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: TS480/SAT in FM operation
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> I thought they were the same.  Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you
>>> mean by ctcss and Pl tones, but I thought both those terms refered to
>>> a tone that's transmitted continuously as long as the transmitter is
>>> up to hold the squelch open on the receiving end.  I'm sure someone
>>> will correct me if I'm wrong.  73,  Lou Lou Kolb Voice-over Artist:
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bob Ray" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 3:11 PM
>>> Subject: TS480/SAT in FM operation
>>>
>>>
>>>> Anyone that has experience with the 480 on fm repeaters may be able
>>>> to help with this.  We have just added tones to our local repeater.
>>>> The
>>>> 480 manual, if I am reading it right, doesn't allow you to have a pl
>>>> tone and a CTCSS tone at the same time.  Does anyone have a work
>>>> around for this?
>>>>
>>>> Bob kd0br
>>>
>>
>