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Jim Gammon <[log in to unmask]>
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Hey Tom, let me know your findings about that.  I am also using a 
480 but don't yet have a manual tuner.  I have used the rig on 60 
meters with a terrible SWR but just cranked the power down and it 
worked alright considering everything.  Jim WA6EKS

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler <[log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Date sent: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:04:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Tuning aids, noise bridges, etc.

    Bob:

Well, whenever I tune for low SWR with the 480, I turn the 
auto-tuner off.

I assume that, when it is off, it is in completely bypass mode.

And, yes, I agree;  I'll prefer a manual tuner over an auto-tuner 
any day,
in terms of power loss considerations.  I actually have a little 
MFJ 901B
manual tuner that I should take out to the RV just to see if it 
is more
efficient and less lossy than the TS480's internal tuner.

Tom Behler: KB8TYJ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob, K8LR" <[log in to unmask]
To: <[log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: Tuning aids, noise bridges, etc.


 Tom,

 since you have an internal tuner in your TS480, it will either 
tune the
 antenna or you'll get a SWR cw error message.  Just remember 
that an
 internal tuner is not very efficient, it usually sucks out 
between 10%
 and15% of the output power.  As Buddy mentioned, its not a good 
idea to
 hook
 up a watt or SWR meter after an internal tuner as your readings 
will be
 way
 off.

 Bob, K8LR, [log in to unmask]

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Buddy Brannan" <[log in to unmask]
 To: <[log in to unmask]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:04 AM
 Subject: Re: Tuning aids, noise bridges, etc.


    Tom,

 You do realize that the TW1 won't actually tell you anything 
about what =
 your internal tuner is doing, right?

 I mean, the meter goes before the tuner, which is impossible if 
the =
 tuner is internal.  So, yeah, you'll get your power out racing, 
but you =
 won't get an active WR reading, at least not as far as your rig 
is =
 concerned.  It's going to see whatever the internal tuner 
matches to, but =
 the TW1 won't, since it's necessarily in line after the tuner, 
not =
 before.=20
 --
 Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
 Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



 On Aug 15, 2012, at 6:59 AM, Tom Behler <[log in to unmask]> 
wrote:

 Hi, all.
=20
 I have debated about posting this right now, especially in light 
of =
 all of=20
 the traffic regarding Trippy's ccurrent saga, since the question 
I'm =
 going=20
 to ask may involve posting some repetitive info that already is 
=
 included in=20
 the discussion threads.  However, I'm hoping that any responses 
will =
 pull=20
 together some knowledge that will help both me and others.  If =
 responding to=20
 this quiry does involve too much repetition, please feel free to 
reply =
 off=20
 list.
=20
 As many of you know, I'm struggling with my HF antenna situation 
out =
 at the=20
 RV.  In fact,  the ham radio withdrawals are getting worse with 
each =
 passing=20
 week, and I may have to take Howard's Zannex advice soon (grin).
=20
 I'm actually now very close to trying to put up my extra 
102-foot G5RV =
 out=20
 at the camp site, at least temporarily, just to see how it does.  
I'll =
 have=20
 to get clearance from camp ground management, but I hope the 
fact that =
 we=20
 have a seasonal pass will help.
=20
 When I do any antenna work out at the RV, I always take the 1 
and only =
 TW1=20
 that I have, so as to be sure to tune for lowest SWR.  It 
involves =
 tearing=20
 my home station apart a bit, but is well worth the sacrifice, 
since I =
 don't=20
 want to become victim to what Trippy apparently just 
experienced.  I =
 realize=20
 that the auto-tuner in my  TS480SAT  should keep me out of 
trouble, =
 but I=20
 just want to be doubly sure.
=20
 Anyway, I am in the market for some sort of a tuning aid to use 
out at =
 the=20
 RV.  I'd love to get my hands on a used TW1, and will keep a 
lookout =
 for 1.
=20
 In the event I can't find one, mention of noise bridges has been 
made =
 here=20
 on a number of ocasions.  Which noise bridge have you guys found 
to =
 work the=20
 best, and can you give me price and other info?
=20
 I could also call Handihams to see if they have any of their old 
=
 tuning aids=20
 left, but I believe those are no longer available on a 
consistent =
 basis.
=20
 Thanks as always and 73 from Tom Behler: KB8TYJ

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