There's another vertical a friend of mine just got that sounds 
like a fiberglass pole that erects to a height of 31 feet.  He 
pounded a pipe into the ground and just stuck the vertical on top 
of that.  Don't think it requires radials.  Sounds kind of 
unwieldy and would probably attract attention, so maybe an MP1 
super antenna or the Alpha 1 would work because they can be 
totally free standing.  Jim WA6EKS

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Eden Kizer <[log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Date sent: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:03:03 -0400
Subject: Re: apartment dwelling antennas

     we are kind of wanting one put together, and we have a 
fenced in
patio so not very good for trees.  I mean, there are woods behind 
us,
but we realy can't go outside our patio.

Eden

On 7/17/2012 8:13 AM, John Miller wrote:
 The easiest way is if there are any trees, run a wire antenna, a 
dipole in
 the trees.  Trees give you a ton of options for any band 
actually.
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Eden Kizer"<[log in to unmask]
 To:<[log in to unmask]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:02 AM
 Subject: apartment dwelling antennas



 Ok, I have been given the go ahead for the apartment to have an 
antenna
 as long as I do not attach to the apartment building itself.  
Give me a
 good idea on antennas please, and Gary if you still have that, 
we want
 it.  Call asap as we can begin payment on Thursday to you.  Just 
call me
 as I am at home at 317-735-2301.  I can discuss terms, but I 
needed some
 ideas on apartment antennas.  Thanks.

 Eden