but you must understand that there are many levels of knowledge.
Most of the scripting lists are set up with pretty advanced levels of 
knowledge in mind.
They are not advertized or promoted as beginner scripters lists.
it would be like joining a list for helicopter pilots, and asking "how do I 
fly a helicopter"  there is no 4 line answer to that question.
Just like scripting, it takes years of practice and study to get to a point 
where you understand the whole picture.
Reading a manual will help to establish the basics, and then you can go to 
the guys who understand the advanced concepts for help.
When you are dealing with something that is highly technical in nature, 
asking simple questions generally doesn't yield posative results.
 It's not that people are just being rude and disrespectful for the sake of 
it, but that they really don't have weeks and months of time to help you 
learn something that you could learn yourself by studying a manual and 
tutorials recorded and written for that specific purpose.
You don't go on a mechanics list and ask how to rebuild an engine and expect 
a short brief, pointed answer to your question.  It would take lots of self 
study, practice and coaching to learn how to do that.
That's why people go to school for all this kind of stuff.  If it was just 
as easy as asking on a list serve, schools would be out of business right?

73
Colin, V A6BKX
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: I don't appreciate some comments on this list, and we need to 
think about what we say to people


> Hi Trippy,
>     It is interesting that you mentioned computers. I joined a computer
> scripting list for my screen reader software. When I started asking
> questions about how to do scripting, the response was something to the
> affect that one should really read and understand the manual before asking
> questions. My thought was "If I completely understood the manual, why 
> would
> I need to go on a scripting list to start with?" The logic escapes me.
>     So many times one only needs to learn the specific knowledge for a
> particular project. They simply don't have the time or interest to sit 
> down
> and learn a bunch of irrelevant information. That is where having friends
> like on a ham list or computer users list comes in handy. I have been
> blessed with good friends on several lists, and I am grateful for every 
> one.
>
>
> God bless,
> Mark
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Harry Brown
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 2:05 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: I don't appreciate some comments on this list, and we need to 
> think
> about what we say to people
>
> Hi all,
> I first want to say, that I do appreciate the help I've gotten on this =
> list.
> It's a great list to be a part of.
> However, secondly, I do not appreciate comments like, how I got my =
> license and that kind of stuff.
> First of all, folks, you all surely know, right? That most people don't =
> get their license to build kits, or to be technical. I'm not saying =
> here, that, technical information isn't good for people. I'm just saying =
> you go ask every ham in your local area, "So, why did you get your =
> license in the first place? They'll probably tell you, "I got it because =
> I saw how much fun ham radio is, and I wanted to get on the air and talk =
> to other people, or, to get in contests, etc.
> Now, some people get their licenses because they're technical, but many =
> don't.
> We have a problem in the ham community, and, we have it in the computer =
> community as well. When someone asks how to solve a problem, =
> technically, so many people get an attitude like, "how did you get your =
> license?" Or, in the computer community, they say, "you're an iddiot, =
> can't you figure out how to do things with your computer, what's wrong =
> with you?"
> That's why many people don't join computer lists, or ham radio lists, =
> because the people that are on those lists look down on, or, they have =
> no patients with anyone.
> I see it in the ham community, and I see it in the computer community.
> So, let's not look down on, or get an attitude with anyone, weather on =
> ham radio, or, on computers.
> In case you all forgot, we all as I tell folks, so offten on computer =
> lists, when someone asks, "I hope all won't laugh at me, or this is =
> probably a dumb question"". There is no dumb question. Not everybody is =
> a techy. When I'm on the air with someone, I don't ask them, "So, how =
> much do you know about building rigs, or, how much do you know about =
> antennas, etc?"
> Let's just help each other out, in the ham community, or in the computer =
> community, alright?
> Trippy, ac8s