That and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee.

Tom


Tom Brennan  KD5VIJ, CCC-A/SLP
web page http://titan.sfasu.edu/~g_brennantg/sonicpage.html

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012, Michael Thurman wrote:

> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 01:54:43 -0400
> From: Michael Thurman <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: For blind ham radio operators <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Third party rules.
>
> noone is suggesting how to get around the rule and I am offended at the =
> accusation. I am jus stick of people who think they know the rules =
> bitching about aging third party an therefore want peoptl to actually =
> read the part 97 for themselves instead of going on 30-40-50 year old =
> ideas and remembered opinions. I have been licensed for over 21 years =
> and hold an extra class license, and make it a point to re read the =
> rules often. would you or anyone else like me to grab the  specific =
> third party rules from part 97? which you are all well advised to keep a =
> current copy of around the shack anyway.
> On Aug 10, 2012, at 7:42 PM, Tom Brennan <[log in to unmask]> =
> wrote:
>
> > Mike, if we spend our energy on figuring ways to get around the rules =
> there is
> > absolutely no point in having them in the first place.
> >=20
> > As to speech, are you familiar with spectragraphic analysis?  A number =
> of us who
> > are speech pathologists use it for monitoring.
> >=20
> > Tom
> >=20
> >=20
> > Tom Brennan  KD5VIJ, CCC-A/SLP
> > web page http://titan.sfasu.edu/~g_brennantg/sonicpage.html
> >=20
> > On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, Mike Duke, K5XU wrote:
> >=20
> >> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:18:55 -0500
> >> From: "Mike Duke, K5XU" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: Third party rules.
> >>=20
> >> The point in the third party rule is "control of the station," not =
> how
> >> the station gets identified. If station identification were the =
> focus,
> >> the synthetic speech ID circuits, including voice keyers used in
> >> contests, would be illegal.
> >>=20
> >> How many times have you heard one voice calling CQ in a contest, and
> >> be answered by a completely different voice when you replied to the
> >> call?
> >>=20
> >> Furthermore, are "Big Brother" and Aunt Laura really smart enough to
> >> know when it is really my hand on the key for a CW ID? I don't think
> >> so. Also, they would have to come to town and hang out for a day or
> >> two to determine whether or not it was really my true voice
> >> identifying, even if it was only me making the transmission in the
> >> first place.
> >>=20
> >> So, Rick, as long as you are within grabbing distance of the
> >> microphone, and/or the off button for the radio or power supply, my
> >> non-lawyer opinion is that you are covered.
> >>=20
> >> If you get challenged by a self appointed radio cop, just send him a
> >> picture of your wife holding the microphone while your hand is on the
> >> "big switch."
> >>=20
> >> Now, here is the story of my first and only transmissions as a
> >> non-licensed third party.
> >>=20
> >> When I was studying for my Novice license in 1969, the rule, as
> >> written at that time, basically stated that third party transmissions
> >> were allowed only on phone, or via RTTY, as long as the licensee was
> >> present, and had a means of immediately disabling the transmitter.
> >>=20
> >> The implied assumption was that a third party person would not know
> >> CW.
> >>=20
> >> My folks bought my first transmitter, a Johnson Viking Ranger, about =
> 2
> >> months before I took my Novice exam. My dad and I took it to a family
> >> friend who also had a Novice license at the time. After my friend
> >> plugged in a crystal for 7175, and tuned up the transmitter, he slid
> >> his key over to me, and said "let fly with a CQ."
> >>=20
> >> So, for the next half hour, WN5WXO had a QSO with someone in Dallas
> >> whose call has long escaped my brain. The real WN5WXO, whose code
> >> speed was already up to 25 WPM, made the log entry, then watched me
> >> have the full QSO with his hands in his pockets. He was impressed =
> that
> >> he didn't have to interpret anything the guy sent to me.
> >>=20
> >> When the QSO ended, he turned to my dad and said, "Well, it looks =
> like
> >> you're about to learn how to build a 40 meter dipole."
> >>=20
> >> Regrettably, that friend, who is now in his mid 70s, and who still
> >> lives in my home town, never went for his General after his Novice
> >> ticket expired. He still has his NC300 receiver, and the last time I
> >> ran into him, he could still copy CW.
> >>=20
> >> Mike Duke, K5XU
> >>=20
>