Over here we have some charismatic Baptists just as there is a
charismatic movement within the Catholic or Luthran churches. we all
praise the same Lord. *g*
Praise him! Let me see if the Dackel wieners let you on ... *g*
Doris
At 01:51 PM 8/15/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>Doris,
>
>Let me think about how I am going to explain the difference and then
>I'll post it to the list. I saw your message last night but I was
>going to bed and thought I'd wait. I want to explain it in a way
>that doesn't confuse the issue. Again, I write about some of this
>in my booklet called "When Baptists Speak In Tongues," which isn't
>very long and explain the difference to some degree but since we
>have an ongoing discussion about prayer, this all fits in.
>
>Phil.
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:52 PM
>Subject: Re: Pray Without Ceasing - Tongues?
>
>
>>I am not sure I understand the difference other t that you were
>>older and therefoere maybe more aware of the Spirit's presence in a
>>given situation.
>>
>>Doris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 09:16 PM 8/14/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>>Doris,
>>>
>>>There is an indwelling, which occurs at the moment of salvation,
>>>and an infilling which is what I experienced when I was 30.
>>>
>>>Phil.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:55 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Pray Without Ceasing - Tongues?
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am absolutely sure, Mr. Phil, that you were filled with the
>>>>spirit before age 30 because if I remember correctly, you became
>>>>a Christian much longer
>>>>
>>>>Hugs,
>>>>
>>>>Doris
>>>>
>>>>and every Christian is indwelt by the spirit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 01:50 PM 8/14/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>>>>Doris,
>>>>>
>>>>>I was filled with the Holy Spirit at age 30 by myself in the
>>>>>basement of my home. I never spoke in tongues until three years later.
>>>>>
>>>>>Phil.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:35 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Pray Without Ceasing - Tongues?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>That's what the Lord tells me in my middle when I talk to him.
>>>>>>The little tradition I come from, rejects speaking in tongues
>>>>>>while several of my friends insnist on it being a sign of a
>>>>>>true born-again Christian. I think one is as wrong as the other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've never personally felt the need or desire to speak in
>>>>>>tongues but am glad for th ose who find expression and access
>>>>>>to God when they use the gift.
>>>>>>Actually, as a much younger Christian I sometimes longed for
>>>>>>the gift of tongues when I feltI had no words or may prayer
>>>>>>just went to the ceiling or lower still , i wished I could
>>>>>>speak in tongues. Today I think that when it gets to middle
>>>>>>stuff, I think a lot of that is beyond words anyway. A lot of
>>>>>>deep stuff is. Often with Chrhis and me, we know what the other
>>>>>>thinks anyway and there is no need for words. Sometimes when I
>>>>>>share deep with Papito, I ask him if he can see my middle and
>>>>>>even more often he does and sometimes before I do like a daddy
>>>>>>does. And if people like Chris or Papito don't - and Ned
>>>>>>doesn't believe in angel speak but just in "tongues" as being
>>>>>>able to speak other languages like Spanish or German - then Mr.
>>>>>>God sure doesn't because he is in the middle and all around and
>>>>>>he made us in the first place knitting needles and all. The
>>>>>>gifts we get are to help us to help God do his God stuff
>>>>>>whether Angel Speak so we have a channel for beyond words stuff
>>>>>>if that helps us because God's loves to hear from us or whether
>>>>>>it is the gift of using languages to preach to other people -
>>>>>>or, I bet, language in any sense not just for preaching but for
>>>>>>writing and writing songs and music and painting with words in whatever form.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Isn't there some song about one's life being a song or prayer
>>>>>>to God in the first place? I have half-remembered lyrics in the
>>>>>>back of my mind ever since us starting this subject - not
>>>>>>tongues but the ceaseless prayer - but I don't remember lyrics
>>>>>>really nor a tune. Oh well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for your confirmation on the subject, Mr. Phil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In his loving grip!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Doris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At 12:31 PM 8/14/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>>>>>>Doris,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You are correct. Tongues is a spiritual gift, which means, no
>>>>>>>one needs, or has to, speak in tongues. It belongs in the
>>>>>>>prayer category due to its twofold nature. However, anyone
>>>>>>>who says you have to speak in tongues for any reason isn't
>>>>>>>interpreting Scripture correctly. Pray without ceasing isn't
>>>>>>>tongues but it could be used at times in the process; it's
>>>>>>>just not a requirement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Phil.
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