I agree with you both. This list has to evolve and keep up with the current times when what qualifies as a computer is relatively ubiquitous.
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From: Visually Impaired Computer Users' Group List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Mikochik
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:50 PM
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Subject: [VICUG-L] it sure ain't a shoebox
i have been using computers since 1978.
i have to agree strongly with everett.
i am a fan of the ipod touch with is an iphone without the phone, which means that it is just the computer part of the iphone.
so i am telling you that a main frame is a computer, my radio shack m50 that just runs basic is a computer, my old dos machine and my new mac mini are computers, my very old sharp talking calculator is a computer, a digital watch is a computer and an iphone is a computer.
so if this list has any interest in staying relevant, then you have to embrace what is current.
or i will start re-posting my questions about my 5 inch floppy and 300 baud modem problems.
pete
On Sat, 5 Jan 2013, Everett Gavel wrote:
> Hi Ana, and all,
>
> No worries, I didn't take your post as snippy. I hope no one will take
> my response as anything more than the friendly response it's meant to
> be, to give an alternate point-of-view.
>
> I'd like to take a minute and share my recently developed notion on my
> 3.5-month-old iPhone, since it has been brought up in relation to
> being proper or not on a computer list. An iPhone is more of a
> computer than my recently exterminated 10-year-old PC.
>
> I enjoy this list and the people n it. It's got much less junk put
> through here than on a few other lists I'm on. But this list is named,
> "VICUG," which is an acronym for Visually Impaired Computer Users
> Group. Below I'll share why I believe the iPhone is merely the latest
> version of a computer that's taking market share, and it's far more
> accessible than any off-the-shelf computer in history.
>
> It is merely my opinion, but I'd argue with anyone that an iPhone is
> easily considered a handheld "laptop" computer. Merely a newer,
> smaller version of the original PC. Yes, I get the differences between
> PC & Mac, but that's not what I'm referring to here. They're both, unarguably, computers.
>
> I've had an iPhone for almost 4 months now, and I've recently come to
> realize it really is a handheld computer. I've now downloaded to my
> iPhone all the programs I used regularly on my PC. I've now got
> E-mail, Facebook, Skype, Twitter, and LinkedIn. I've got PayPal, Amazon, & eBay on my iPhone as well.
> I've got the WeatherChannel and the WeatherBug, I have Spotify,
> Pandora, and Netflix on my iPhone now, too.
>
> I've got Bloomberg, CNBC, and some stock-trading apps as well. I've
> got even more than I had on my PC, though, too. I've now got GPS
> navigating programs, barcode scanning programs, OCR, print-to-speech
> programs, Newsline, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post.
> I've also got unlimited-length audio recording programs that can
> record meetings and classes for me. Apps are simply another, newer name for "programs."
>
> I've also got Quickbooks, Evernote, GoogleMaps, Dropbox, and
> GoogleEarth on my iPhone. Then there's the simpler stuff like
> Notetakers, reminders, alarms, and a built-in Web browser too. It's
> most everything and more that I used regularly via my PC just months
> ago, but now use on my iPhone -- no matter where I am. It's merely a
> hand-held, portable computer. And it's very accessible to the blind,
> for a much lesser cost than a typical PC + Assistive Tech software costs.
>
> Yes, the iPhone is a computer. I'd argue that being a phone is merely
> the tool that it used to get into and take over a market share, very
> successfully. But the phone aspect of it is not what it truly is. It
> is merely part of it. Anyway, that's my story, er, opinion, and I'm
> stickin' to it. ;-)
>
> BTW, Happy New Year to each of you here! May 2013 end as your best year yet!
>
>
> Seize the Day!
> Everett
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Hi all,
>> My intension isn't to sound snippy, but I have the feeling that I'll
>> sound snippy anyway.
>> This is a great list for help on computer related issues. There are
>> occasional digressions, but I don't mind them because the content is
>> generally interesting and often indirectly relevant.
>> Lately a lot of messages have come through the list about iPhone
>> apps. some of the messages are indeed worth reading. the announcement
>> about BrailleTouch, an app which allows braille input via a touch
>> screen, is a great example because I can imagine such technology
>> eventually making it to computer mouse pads, but I think most iPhone
>> related messages don't belong here. It might be a good idea for the
>> sender to connect them to the main focus of the list before posting.
>> Just my two cents.
>> Ana
>>
>
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