It's true that in the US junk-food is eaten in large amounts but that doesn't explain why countries with less of an emphasis than the US on junk-foods(such as highly refined carbs) also show increased health-problems with cooked-meat-consumption.
Re "> If you want an apples to apples comparison, take a look at modern hunter gatherers.
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> Meat consumption averaged 50-65% of total calories for most, and went as high as 100% among certain Inuit."
That's actually an own goal, I'm afraid. You see the Inuit are known as the native tribe with the highest amount of raw-meat-consumption within their traditional diets(well, along with the Nenets of Siberia and a few other Arctic tribes). Not that I view them as being entirely immune from disease, though.Oh, and they went in for exclusively wild meats/blubber etc. not generally found in cooked-palaeo diets - I've found that wild game is far superior, nutrient-wise, to any grassfed/organic equivalent.
And I have to admit that I am extremely sceptical of claims that modern hunter-gatherer tribes were completely immune from the diseases of civilisation. For example, there was that study which showed that the Masai had atherosclerotic tendencies(atherosclerosis is associated with intake of AGEs):-
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/95/1/26
Now, I'll grant you that modern hunter-gatherer tribes have various ways to reduce their AGE-intake/damage done by AGEs such as via frequent violent exercise every day(much higher than our level of physical activity in the West), plus they didn't eat vast amounts constantly like in the west(fasting has been shown to reduce the amounts of AGEs/advanced glycation end products within the body,
http://content.karger.com/produktedb/produkte.asp?typ=fulltext&file=000217817
which makes sense as the less cooked foods one eats each day, the less heat-created toxins one ingests each day, and so the body can more easily remove them over time. Also, as Weston-Price noted, the healthiest tribes he saw were the ones who included some raw animal food into their diet, and such raw-animal-food-consumption would offset the negative impact of AGE-rich cooked foods. And then of course they used much less damaging cooking methods such as boiling in water.
Re AGE-reduction methods:- I've never heard of the claim that eating meats with berries reduces age-formation - interesting. Have you got a link?
Cooking in water does help a bit. Also a good idea to drink the water after boiling any foods, as otherwise one misses out on water-soluble vitamins leached into the water.
Obviously, cooking less will do less harm and I'm not suggesting that cooked-palaeo is on the same level as junk-food diets.
Geoff
> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:51:10 -0800
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> Subject: Meat & Mortality!
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> > From: Geoffrey Purcell <[log in to unmask]>
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> > There's been a huge amount of
> > research into the harm done by cooked foods..
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> Keep in mind, most meat eaten in the modern world comes in the form of two all beef patties, special sauce and a sesame seed bun.
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> Not to mention the supersized, high fructose corn syrup drink, that comes along with most fast food meals.
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> And don't forget the fries....
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> High glycemic carbs, cooked up in a batch of nasty, rancid, n6 heavy, vegetable oil.
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> Now, keep the same ingredients, but bounce the recipe around a bit, and you've got 80% of most meals consumed here in the US covered.
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> These people do not represent us, not even close!
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> If you want an apples to apples comparison, take a look at modern hunter gatherers.
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> Meat consumption averaged 50-65% of total calories for most, and went as high as 100% among certain Inuit.
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> The data clearly demonstrates that these people have, by and large, avoided the diseases of modern civilization.
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> And yes, most of these societies consumed cooked meat.
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> Here's my diet plan.
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> I eat this meal twice a day, and occasionally snack here and there, but usually not.
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> Fatty meat, consumed medium rare.
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> I cook the meat in a little water, just enough to keep the meat moist, to prevent AGE formation.
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> I always eat berries with the meat, another strategy proven to reduce AGE's.
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> A few nuts here and there, an occasional square of dark chocolate, red wine a few times a week, and that's about it.
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> The hot dog, big mac, bologna eating crowd may check out early from heart disease, diabetes, or cancer, but I seriously doubt that most of us on this list have much to worry about.
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