The other thing to keep in mind too is that amps are extremely helpful 
if you are a net control or relay for an HF net, similar to what we now try 
to do on week-ends.

Sure, there will likely be bad apples in every bunch, but don't throw the 
baby out with the bath water!

73 from Tom Behler: KB8TYJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barbara Lombardi" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: My response to the new ham creed post


> There is nothing wrong with using amps and I know many responsible hams
> using them very well and they sound great including those on 3.999.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of John Miller
> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:38 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: My response to the new ham creed post
>
> Huh? Are you talking CB or ham radio here? 90% of hams I know on HF have
> amps and you can't even tell they have them other than the bigger signals
> here and there. I know people on CB who run dirty but can't say I've seen
> much of it on ham radio unless things have changed since late August. I 
> hope
> to find out soon, I'll hopefully be back on HF soon and if the rumored 
> RACES
> program going away happens around here, it's very possible I may *only* be
> on HF and 900 MHz after that.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Brown" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:57 AM
> Subject: My response to the new ham creed post
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> I just read the "new ham creed" thread, very interesting.
>> I've responded to some of the comments.
>> "if you heard someone splattering up and down the band on sideband,
>> you = politely broke in, told him about it, and generally the man
>> thanked you = for letting him know and made adjustments to fix the
> problem."
>> I have mixed emotions about this topic.
>> A few years ago, I criticized a ham about his signal on the air.
>> He said to me, "Trippy, you gonna come over here and fix it for me?"
>> That shut me up, real quick.
>> I've painfully learned ever since that day, if I was gonna criticize =
>> another ham for his/her stations performance, I better match my =
>> criticism with either telling him/her how to fix it, or, going over =
>> there and fixing it myself.
>> "these boys were loud, in other words, and often such stations are =
>> running pretty big amplifiers which put out a lot more than the legal
>> = limit, if you get my meaning,"
>> I get the meaning, but you don't know that, meaning, how much power
>> was = being used, so why did you even say it?
>> Unless you can prove that kind of statement, don't say it.
>> "I've seen them literally move off frequency, tell the station too
>> close = to their quiet channel to move, and if he does?  They all move
>> down on = top of him and talk as if he isn't there."
>> I completely agree with this part of the post!
>> What I would do in those situations, and have done it myself, is when
>> I = hear a station doing that, I record the event happening, and send
>> it to = the FCC.
>> I've gotten stations licenses taken away and I will continue to do it,
>> = when they deliberately get on a frequency that's being used, and
>> start = talking, without even seeing if the frequency is in use.  We
>> need = another Riley Hollingsworth in our hobby, really, really bad.
>> "Anyhow, they got to ragging on him because he wouldn't turn on his =
>> amp,"
>> Pretty soon, there will be a change in amateur radio.
>> Many hams are talking with the FCC about this very issue now, the
>> issue = of amps.
>> In ham radio, there should be no amps used on HF, everybody should
>> have = the 250 watt limit.
>> This will result in fair, and more civil, hf operation.
>> "100 to 180 foot towers,"
>> If I had my way, and could do it financially, I would love to buy a
>> 180 = foot tower for every ham, with antennas to go along with it, at
>> least I = can dream, right?
>> "I thought it was sort of funny he was pissing off the big boys with
>> his = weaker signal.  I believe he was doing it on purpose,"
>> I hope he was, and I don't blame him for it.  Like you all, I've been
>> = that weaker station, and hams with big amps hate those of us who
>> don't = have them.
>> "There used to be a group on 3.999 called the 99ers who pretty much
>> insisted you join them with an amp."
>> Well, the 99ers days are numbered, I can tell you that.
>> 73,
>> Trippy, ac8s
>