amen, sister! looking forward to the next challenging debate. *g*
Love in christ,
Doris
At 03:54 PM 3/11/2014 -0400, you wrote:
>That is what makes this list such a fine one. As Christians, we are
>suppose to be brothers and sisters both of each other and of
>Christ. Don't siblings born of the same families disagree regarding
>things? Of course they do. Why then, as Christians, do we think
>disagreement is wrong. Nor that no Christian ought to disagree with
>another. We don't have to share political views to share a
>list. Time will tell who is right, as it did when dear Jesus was
>resurrected. Time brings to light all things.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Ferguson" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:35 PM
>Subject: Re: I wish Christians could stay away from politics for once!
>
>
>>Amen, Amen, And Amen!
>>
>>Angel doesn't have a mean bone in her body!
>>
>>She is Loving!
>>
>>Doris, You are Loving!
>>
>>All of you are Loving!
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks much.
>>
>>Many Blessings,
>>
>>Pat Ferguson
>>"I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me." Phillippians 4:13.
>>
>>At 12:12 PM 3/11/2014, you wrote:
>>>oh, no! AMs. Angel is not cynical or sarcastic! She and I do not
>>>agree on each and every christian teaching or standpoint but we
>>>both love God and have a committed relationship to him. being
>>>cynical would be divisive and hurtful. Ms. angel doesn't have a
>>>hurtful bone in her body.
>>>
>>>I think it is very important that we as christians do not live as
>>>the world lives. we can agree to disagree on some details but need
>>>to stand firm on the fundamentals of the christian faith. in the
>>>end, we just need to trust god for all the answers and can rest in
>>>that. I think phils insight here is important even though I might
>>>differ on some of the details how god reveals himself.
>>>
>>>In his grip of grace!
>>>
>>>Doris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>in his grip of grace!
>>>
>>>DAt 12:59 PM 3/11/2014 -0400, you wrote:
>>>>I wasn't being cynical nor sarcastic. I have never been
>>>>sarcastic in my life. As I believe sarcasm is hateful and
>>>>springs from a heart filled with hate. I said that because if
>>>>the government has its way, more of those who failed to make
>>>>their opinions against a Godless government known wherever there
>>>>is a chance for them to be known, there will be a lot more things
>>>>for which prayer might be required. It is harder for Christians
>>>>to be contented in a situation wherein their Christian way of
>>>>life is threatened. I think if we don't discuss politics
>>>>wherever Christians are gathered, or who write on Christian lists
>>>>because such touches every Christian, there will be fewer and
>>>>fewer places where such discussions will be allowed to take
>>>>place. Did you know the government is already reading our
>>>>E-mails and tweets? If one can't discuss politics on a Christian
>>>>supportive list as is this one, how is one suppose to ask for
>>>>prayer, as I did a while back on this list, that priests
>>>>contracted by the government to serve the military be allowed to
>>>>continue serving when the government was closed. They were
>>>>forbidden to serve then, and those who needed to worship were
>>>>forced to find outside priests off military bases to perform
>>>>weddings and baptisms, ETC. These independent contracted
>>>>military priests weren't even allowed by the government to
>>>>volunteer to serve without pay during the time the government was
>>>>closed. Isn't this political? Should I not have asked for
>>>>prayer, and should I not have expressed on a list such as this my
>>>>wonder at how a government could be persecuting us so? I
>>>>suppose if I shouldn't have asked this, nor wondered at the
>>>>callousness of a government who wouldn't even allow volunteers to
>>>>officiate at a sacramental event, then there might not be a place
>>>>on a list as this for me either?
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Shepherd"
>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:30 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: I wish Christians could stay away from politics for once!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Do you really wish those of us whom you may see as apathetic the
>>>>>best, or is there a touch of cynicism and are you being sarcastic?
>>>>>
>>>>>Regarding where to discuss these issues, you could discuss them
>>>>>with friends or neighbors, at church or a number of places, and
>>>>>there are, I am sure, several Christian political lists that one
>>>>>might join to discuss this very thing. In fact, I believe Pat
>>>>>might know of one. There are also many news outlets where one
>>>>>can get the news from a Christian prospective. Therefore, I
>>>>>continue to maintain that politics has no place here if this is
>>>>>to be a list focused on Christ and to the edification of Christian believers.
>>>>>
>>>>>Apathetic, never!!! My husband believes as Bev does regarding
>>>>>the current administration; I do not! However, I do believe in
>>>>>sensitivity to the discomfort of others as much as possible.
>>>>>
>>>>>I personally think Bev is wrong, but I love her and would hate
>>>>>to see her leave the list simply because of a minority political view point.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jackie
>>>>>
>>>>>At 06:56 PM 2014-03-10, you wrote:
>>>>>>Then I wish you all the best when you suffer as a result of
>>>>>>what this current administration is doing. As for me, and for
>>>>>>my house, we will stand against those who are trying to take
>>>>>>away our religious freedom to worship, and to pay for what we
>>>>>>choose. I will encourage you in your apathetic reaction to the
>>>>>>threat Christians face. When home schools are prohibited, and
>>>>>>when all reference to our most holy faiths is removed from
>>>>>>schools. As it is being done, and has been since prayer was
>>>>>>removed from public schools. I dare say children today don't
>>>>>>even know the second verse of "my country t'is of
>>>>>>thee" Because the first line says "Our father God to thee,
>>>>>>author of liberty." I use to sing that song, both verses in
>>>>>>public school. Would you believe? If we don't discuss such
>>>>>>things on a list such as this, where on earth are we to discuss them?
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Shepherd"
>>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 6:13 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: I wish Christians could stay away from politics for once!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am reluctantly compelled to agree with Bev, not about the
>>>>>>>politics, but that it should not be a topic of discussion on
>>>>>>>the list. It is my opinion that the list could be used for
>>>>>>>encouragement, prayer, topics of a scriptural nature, and
>>>>>>>Christ centered discussions and devotional material. Messages
>>>>>>>I've seen, some on the list, but most off, are nothing but
>>>>>>>hate filled government/President bashing tyrades; and I wonder
>>>>>>>how many people did their homework to see if these were true!
>>>>>>>It certainly isn't a very good example of loving Christians;
>>>>>>>and I wonder how much it shows that we trust and leave all
>>>>>>>things to the Lord. Romans 8:28 says this much better than I ever could.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jackie
>>>>>>>At 02:28 PM 2014-03-10, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>Hi All!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well, I guess my subject line says what's on my mind.For
>>>>>>>>several years, now I've deliberately stayed away from most
>>>>>>>>Christian groups, due to the disappointment I always
>>>>>>>>experience because I'm so tired of politics always coming up
>>>>>>>>as the topic. I so wish Christians could get back to
>>>>>>>>discussing scripture and talking about the Lord and quit all
>>>>>>>>the bashing, hatred, fear and hostility for our president and
>>>>>>>>our government. To be honest, even though I am a professing
>>>>>>>>Christian, this whole politic thing has caused me to want to
>>>>>>>>stay away from most Christian circles for the past I don't
>>>>>>>>know how many years, yet, I hate doing that as well, because
>>>>>>>>I miss sharing with other Christians about our Lord Jesus .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bev
>>>
>>>
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