Scott;

Some people just have to have something to complain about.

Anthony


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On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Scott Howell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Michael,
> 
> I normally would just delete messages such as what you posted because =
> honestly although you are entitled to your opinion, you have made some =
> statements that are not entirely correct and certainly are at the very =
> least a little questionable. First I did download the Extra lecture for =
> free as soon as I signed up. I just joined Handiham after a long break =
> and I found Pat just as helpful now as he was all those years ago. As =
> far as a jerk getting a license, well hey there is no requirement that =
> you cannot be a jerk and hold a ticket. I could refer to my experience =
> with a number of individuals who were incredible LIDs on the 2M band and =
> I was so happy to have upgraded and gained HF privileges . I do not see =
> how Handiham can be held accountable because someone choses to behave in =
> such a way.
> I feel my membership was valuable as I know I can get help or access to =
> materials which will help me upgrade.
> 
> On Dec 26, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Mike Keithley wrote:
> 
>> I beg to disagree. If it were not for Handihams, I wouldn't have the =
> help and friends that I do. And their audio lectures are very FB to me.
>> =20
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Michael Thurman <[log in to unmask]>
>> To:  [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Friday, Dec 16, 2011 10:47:31
>> Subject: Re: helpers needed
>> =20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> hanihams is a total joke  they are useless for anything except a =3D
>>> discount for buying study materials  they dont even give you the free =
> =3D
>>> audio lecture series for download anymore as a member   no wonder =
> they =3D
>>> are so hard up for membership!  handihams is completely irrelevant to =
> =3D
>>> anyone that has an extra class license,a s even their op skills =
> classes =3D
>>> are pathetic beginner junk last time I looekd into it   not only have =
> I =3D
>>> droped them years ago, but my radio club no longer supports them =
> based =3D
>>> on a jerk they GAVE a license to  and I say gave  I mean gave this =
> jerk =3D
>>> is a general and he doens't knwo which end of the radio to talk into  =
> he =3D
>>> wanted to know why he couldn't use his mag mount he uses on 2 meters =
> to =3D
>>> talk on hf  he wipe sou tnets  transmits on top of skywarn nets =
> during =3D
>>> tornado warnings  ect  total worthless crap  his callsign is ki4ren =
> and =3D
>>> that's what handihams is turnng out for licensees now apparently   =3D
>>> someone who so oviously has NO CLUE couldn't have passed the test =
> unless =3D
>>> he was given LOTS of help and probably givent he answers  how =
> reliable =3D
>>> are the ve people there there whent he handiham  members pay over a =3D=
> 
>>> grand to go to that camp and that's just to handihams NOT their =3D
>>> transportation costs.. sounds like buying a license to me
>>> I remember when handihams used to be a worthwile organization and =
> used =3D
>>> to provide real help. I remember when i didn't have a rig I couldn't =
> get =3D
>>> to use anything formthem  yet they always talk abotu the radio loan =3D=
> 
>>> program   it was nonexistant for me when I needed it
>>> =20
>>> On Dec 16, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Richard Fiorello wrote:
>>> =20
>>>> Hi;
>>>> Just so folks don't feel alone, moved to this house four years =
> ago.=3D20
>>>> That spring got in contact with most radio clubs and said I would =
> love=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>> help with a vertical or dipole.  Didn't get much reply.  Took a cab =
> to=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>> one of the larger clubs and the president drove me home and said to =
> =3D
>>> his=3D20
>>>> friends that he would catch up with them for coffee after he dropped =
> =3D
>>> me=3D20
>>>> off.  Wondered why I wasn't invited to the party.  He also =
> suggested=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>> that there was a club much closer to my home that I should check =
> out.=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>> Would that have happened to a new potential non disabled member?
>>>> Checked out the closer club and they did help me put up a hf9v in =3D
>>> 2010.=3D20
>>>> They were going to stop back and finish the job. 18 months later=3D20
>>>> nothing and I keep going to meetings and they keep saying one of =
> these=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>> days.  Initially the antenna had to come down to be re-tuned.  It=3D20=
> 
>>>> resonates quite nicely on 27 MHz.  There were three people working =
> on=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>> the job, one had never touched an antenna in her life, on was also =
> new=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>> and one was the president who is a ve but has no home station.
>>>> As for arr, back in the 1980s there was a local ham store that would =
> =3D
>>> put=3D20
>>>> up antennas for a price.  It was wonderful, no need to beg.=3D20
>>>> Unfortunately I had unbelievable tvi problems.  One neighbor =3D
>>> threatened=3D20
>>>> legal action.  I contacted arrl and asked if they had anyone in the =
> =3D
>>> area=3D20
>>>> who might help put up something less likely to interfere.  They =
> sent=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>> over a wonderful guy that actually worked with my dad 20 years ago =3D=
> 
>>> only=3D20
>>>> problem was he was in his 80s.  Thinking back he could have taught =
> me =3D
>>> a=3D20
>>>> lot even if nobody climbed.
>>>> Contacted arrl again when I moved to this qth in 2008 and got a =
> reply=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>> that the person in charge of this area knew just where I lived =
> because=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>> he had grandparents in the area.  Sounded very hopeful but that was =
> =3D
>>> the=3D20
>>>> last I heard.
>>>> I guess my conclusion after rambling is if there is a competent-ant =
> =3D
>>> ham!=3D20
>>>> store in the area who will do antenna work its worth every penny.  =3D=
> 
>>> Club=3D20
>>>> folks, especially older ones might be very helpful in advising what =
> to=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>> put up.  I went through two miniquads each lasted about a year.  =
> Then=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>> there were my adventures with the r8.  Durable is just as important =
> as=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>> performance.
>>>> Also finding eager helpers is an art.  Some folks seem to be very =
> good=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>> at and others such as yours truly are hopeless.  Maybe handihams =3D
>>> should=3D20
>>>> teach a course in how best to talk your club into helping?  They =
> have=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>> suggested lots of food and beer and make sure you have every =3D
>>> imaginable=3D20
>>>> part but I think there may be more to it.
>>>> --=3D20
>>>> richard