Hey Butch,

You know the advocates of the end of the world--or maybe it's just the end 
of the age--whatever that is supposed to mean--they are now beginning to 
hedge a bit.  Some of them are actually saying that it might be another 1, 3 
or even 10 years later.  Just as people like Hal Linsey used to predict 
things such as the second coming in 1988, then pushing it ahead 1 year to 
1989 and then backing off entirely, some of these Mayan advocates are 
beginning to get a bit jumpy over the approaching year and day.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Butch Bussen" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Scientists predict rare 'hibernation' of sunspots


THat is what I was thinking about, the Myan calendar, I didn't remember
the exact date.  If I really believed that stuff, I'd sure run up my
credit cards.
73
Butch
WA0VJR

On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Phil Scovell wrote:

> Hey, Butch,
>
> That's right!  We already missed it on May 21 and the same 89 year old guy
> has moved it back for us to October 21 of this year.  If that doesn't 
> work,
> well, shoot, he has clear up until, what is it? December 21 of 2012 is the
> last day of the Myan calendar?  You just may get in a few contacts.  Say,
> why don't you shoot for your worked all states certificate between the 
> time
> you get the radio up and running and the end of the Myan calendar?  Now
> there's a piece of paper we might be able to get money out of off of EBay,
> if that is, we are still here the following day.
>
> Phil.
> K0NX
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Butch Bussen" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Scientists predict rare 'hibernation' of sunspots
>
>
>> Cheer up Phil, the world is supposed to end in 2012 anyhow!!!
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>>
>> On Wed, 15
>> Jun 2011, Phil Scovell wrote:
>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing that article.  Very interesting and just when Butch
>>> forked over a fortune for a new radio, too.  Poor fellow.  What puzzles
>>> me
>>> is that I thought we were the cause of climate change and global 
>>> warming.
>>> Now we find out, as if we didn't already know for years, that the sun
>>> plays
>>> one hell of a roll in climate change.  No more long path for a few 
>>> years,
>>> I
>>> guess.  Bummer.  It beats having the sun nova, that's for sure.  I
>>> definitely don't want to be around for that climate change, when the sun
>>> goes nova, that is.  Especially when they now know a complete nova, for 
>>> a
>>> sun our size, can cycle through a complete nova in 7 years; start to
>>> finish.
>>>
>>> Phil.
>>> K0NX
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:28 AM
>>> Subject: Scientists predict rare 'hibernation' of sunspots
>>>
>>>
>>>>  a.. a.. Print
>>>> AFP/File =E2=80=93 For years, scientists have been predicting the Sun =
>>>> would move into solar maximum, a period of intense =E2=80=A6=20
>>>> by Kerry Sheridan Kerry Sheridan =E2=80=93 Tue Jun 14, 5:38 pm ET
>>>> WASHINGTON (AFP) =E2=80=93 For years, scientists have been predicting =
>>>> the Sun would by around 2012 move into solar maximum, a period of =
>>>> intense flares and sunspot activity, but lately a curious calm has =
>>>> suggested quite the opposite.
>>>>
>>>> According to three studies released in the United States on Tuesday, =
>>>> experts believe the familiar sunspot cycle may be shutting down and =
>>>> heading toward a pattern of inactivity unseen since the 17th century.
>>>>
>>>> The signs include a missing jet stream, fading spots, and slower =
>>>> activity near the poles, said experts from the National Solar =
>>>> Observatory and Air Force Research Laboratory.
>>>>
>>>> "This is highly unusual and unexpected," said Frank Hill, associate =
>>>> director of the NSO's Solar Synoptic Network, as the findings of the =
>>>> three studies were presented at the annual meeting of the American =
>>>> Astronomical Society's Solar Physics Division in Las Cruces, New 
>>>> Mexico.
>>>>
>>>> "But the fact that three completely different views of the Sun point in
>>>> =
>>>> the same direction is a powerful indicator that the sunspot cycle may 
>>>> be
>>>> =
>>>> going into hibernation."
>>>>
>>>> Solar activity tends to rise and fall every 11 years or so. The solar =
>>>> maximum and solar minimum each mark about half the interval of the =
>>>> magnetic pole reversal on the Sun, which happens every 22 years.
>>>>
>>>> Hill said the current cycle, number 24, "may be the last normal one for
>>>> =
>>>> some time and the next one, cycle 25, may not happen for some time.
>>>>
>>>> "This is important because the solar cycle causes space weather which =
>>>> affects modern technology and may contribute to climate change," he 
>>>> told
>>>> =
>>>> reporters.
>>>>
>>>> Experts are now probing whether this period of inactivity could be a =
>>>> second Maunder Minimum, which was a 70-year period when hardly any =
>>>> sunspots were observed between 1645-1715, a period known as the "Little
>>>> =
>>>> Ice Age."
>>>>
>>>> "If we are right, this could be the last solar maximum we'll see for a 
>>>> =
>>>> few decades. That would affect everything from space exploration to =
>>>> Earth's climate," said Hill.
>>>>
>>>> Solar flares and eruptions can send highly charged particles hurtling =
>>>> toward Earth and interfere with satellite communications, GPS systems =
>>>> and even airline controls.
>>>>
>>>> Geomagnetic forces have been known to occasionally garble the world's =
>>>> modern gadgetry, and warnings were issued as recently as last week when
>>>> =
>>>> a moderate solar flare sent a coronal mass ejection in the Earth's =
>>>> direction.
>>>>
>>>> The temperature change associated with any reduction in sunspot 
>>>> activity
>>>> =
>>>> would likely be minimal and may not be enough to offset the impact of =
>>>> greenhouse gases on global warming, according to scientists who have =
>>>> published recent papers on the topic.
>>>>
>>>> "Recent solar 11-year cycles are associated empirically with changes in
>>>> =
>>>> global surface temperature of 0.1 Celsius," said Judith Lean, a solar =
>>>> physicist with the US Naval Research Laboratory.
>>>>
>>>> If the cycle were to stop or slow down, the small fluctuation in =
>>>> temperature would do the same, eliminating the slightly cooler effect 
>>>> of
>>>> =
>>>> a solar minimum compared to the warmer solar maximum. The phenomenon 
>>>> was
>>>> =
>>>> witnessed during the descending phase of the last solar cycle.
>>>>
>>>> This "cancelled part of the greenhouse gas warming of the period =
>>>> 2000-2008, causing the net global surface temperature to remain =
>>>> approximately flat -- and leading to the big debate of why the Earth =
>>>> hadn't (been) warming in the past decade," Lean, who was not involved 
>>>> in
>>>> =
>>>> the three studies presented, said in an email to AFP.
>>>>
>>>> A study in the March 2010 issue of Geophysical Research Letters 
>>>> explored
>>>> =
>>>> what effect an extended solar minimum might have, and found no more 
>>>> than
>>>> =
>>>> a 0.3 Celsius dip by 2100 compared to normal solar fluctuations.
>>>>
>>>> "A new Maunder-type solar activity minimum cannot offset the global =
>>>> warming caused by human greenhouse gas emissions," wrote authors Georg 
>>>> =
>>>> Feulner and Stefan Rahmstorf, noting that forecasts by the =
>>>> Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have found a range of 3.7 =
>>>> Celsius to 4.5 Celsius rise by this century's end compared to the 
>>>> latter
>>>> =
>>>> half of the 20th century.=20
>>>>
>>>> "Moreover, any offset of global warming due to a grand minimum of solar
>>>> =
>>>> activity would be merely a temporary effect, since the distinct solar =
>>>> minima during the last millennium typically lasted for only several =
>>>> decades or a century at most."
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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