In order that folks know the origins of this discussion, here's the link to Curtis Chong's article. https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm14/bm1406/bm140608.htm VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List. Archived on the World Wide Web at http://listserv.icors.org/archives/vicug-l.html Signoff: [log in to unmask] Subscribe: [log in to unmask]