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the thing is that everyone doesn't want a I-phone or want to use AT& T.
Regards,
Claude Everett
Everyone has a disability, some are more aware of it than others.
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] Smartphones Flunk for Blind Users
Hello,
Voice Over is on all iPhone 3GS and the latest 4G models. It is not on the
2G or 3G models.
VO allows blind people to successfully work with all of the apps which come
on the phone. Also, thousands of the aditional apps which you can get for
the iPhone are at least partially accessible, and the majority of those are
fully accessible; according to several users who regularly post on the
various iPhone listservs.
Ignore Harry as he does not appear to be speaking from a place of knowledge
in this case.
David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA
Email: [log in to unmask]
On 6/24/2010 3:45 AM, Jeff Kenyon wrote:
Hi Harry, is this with all I-phones? I have a friend who will be getting
one soon, and she said it has Voice Over, for all of the aps on it.
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From: Harry Brown <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] Smartphones Flunk for Blind Users
HI all,
Well, here's the other side of the article!
there will be folks who do agree with this idea, and that is, how can blind
folks use a touch screen? Well, most of us, can't, basically, 90% of the
blind community.
I went to try out an iPhone 3gs, and all it was was a touch screen, and no
keys to touch. I could not use it, at all.
My fingers were all over that thing, and it was horrible.
So, I filed a complaint with the FCC against Apple, and it's currently under
review.
Apple needs to do any of the following:
1. get rid of the touch screen, or
2. put a built in feature on the iPhone that lets people run the iPhone,
entirely by voice command. Now they have some of that available via an ap,
but it only does email, and text messaging.
I'm talking about complete access to the iPhone, via command by voice.
Afterall, what about folks who cannot use their hands?
I will keep you all up to date on what happens.
Harry
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Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:06 AM
Subject: [VICUG-L] Smartphones Flunk for Blind Users
Smartphones Flunk for Blind Users.
Blind users see digital divide in new generation phones.
By Jessica Portner on June 22.
Smartphones can be pretty clueless when it comes to blind or visually
impaired
users.
For millions of consumers with normal vision, smartphones offer almost
effortless conference calling, e-mailing and Internet browsing. They make it
easy to find a gas station, a rental car or a recipe. Vast music libraries
and
video games are expected features for a device with a $200 to $600 price
tag.
But for many in the blind and visually impaired community, the absence of
physical buttons on most smartphones makes interactions with some devices
virtually impossible.
Nowhere is the digital divide in the smartphone market more pronounced than
between Apple and Google products.
Blind and visually impaired smartphone users offer near universal praise for
the iPhone, whose 3GS has a built-in VoiceOver screen reader that enables
all
functions with a few taps, swipes or other gestures on the touch screen. On
Google's Android phone, blind users can't e-mail or navigate the Internet.
Many consumers with visual impairments say they are being held back from
equal
participation in the digital revolution, denied tools their colleagues and
competitors enjoy. Smartphones, they argue, are public accommodations, no
different from building ramps or Braille on elevators.
"Our electronic, digital universe is changing so rapidly that these phones
are
as essential to our daily life as a curb cut would be," said Brian Bashin,
the
CEO of the Lighthouse for the Blind in San Francisco, an advocacy
organization
for the blind and visually impaired. "We shouldn't have to play catch up
with
expensive modifications when it all should have been there right out of the
box."
The Blackberry's Oratio screen reader, for example, costs blind users an
extra
$450 on top of the price of the Research in Motion phone.
This month, a House subcommittee held a hearing on the Twenty-first Century
Communications and Video Accessibility Act to direct the Federal
Communications
Commission to make Internet-enabled communications devices accessible to the
more than 25 million adults in the United States with vision trouble.
The FCC currently requires telecommunications manufacturers and service
providers to make their products accessible to people with disabilities. One
FCC
official said Google would likely not be liable under the current law
because it
is not the phone's manufacturer.
Jenifer Simpson, a former FCC official who is now the senior director of
government affairs at the American Association of People with Disabilities,
is
frustrated that more companies are creating communications products that the
FCC doesn't currently regulate.
The question she wants companies to ask is, "Can Grandma give you a phone
call
on the smartphone you want to buy her for Christmas?"
Joshua Miele, an associate scientist at the San Francisco-based
Smith-Kettlewell
Eye Research Institute who designs educational tools for blind people like
himself, says the iPhone is a new paradigm for the more than 1.3 million
legally
blind people in the United States.
"The most amazing thing about the iPhone is you go into the settings and you
turn on the screen reader and you can use every part of your phone, every
text-based application and you don't have to pay anything extra,'' he said.
VoiceOver, the iPhone's built-in screen reader, is controlled though
gestures
instead of arrow keys or keyboard commands. It can be customized so that a
visually impaired person can easily magnify a web page or flip to a
white-on-black background.
The iPhone 4, unveiled this month, expands the roster of accessibility
tools,
including the ability to wirelessly connect to a device that displays
Braille.
Youtube clip at URL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQKtSR5Li1A
In contrast, Google's TalkBack screen reader on its Android mobile operating
system doesn't do enough talking, many advocates for the blind say. Android
works impressively for calling, listening to music, using global positioning
system data and applications like Facebook, but it won't help blind users
dispatch an e-mail to their boss or scan a website while waiting at the
airport.
When Android was released more than a year ago, the disability community was
primed for more innovations. When a totally accessible smartphone failed to
materialize this year, advocates for the blind castigated Google as a
peddler of
expectations. The Android 2.2, released a few weeks ago, didn't
substantially
enhance the phone's accessibility to blind and deaf users.
Disability groups have been encouraged by some recent victories. The
National
Federation of the Blind last year reached a settlement with Motorola after
pressuring the leading manufacturer of cell phones to comply with Section
255 of
the federal Telecommunications Act. The act requires telecommunications
equipment manufacturers and service providers to make their products and
services accessible to people with disabilities. The agreement commits the
company to make the phone-related functions on its BREW line of phones
useable
for non-visual customers.
Advocates for the blind say Google has done extraordinary work in other
areas,
pointing to the Google Books Library Project.
Steve Jacobs, president of the IDEAL Group, Inc., which develops
applications
for the blind, said his customers are hopeful that Google's Project
Eyes-Free ,
which invites software developers to create accessible applications for the
Android, will serve up exciting inventions soon.
"I believe Google will rise to that occasion," Jacobs said.
T.V. Raman, a computer scientist and engineer at Google, agrees.
Raman, who lost his eyesight at age 14 from glaucoma, is revered by many
people
with disabilities for his pioneering work on Google's search service that
helped
people with visual impairments navigate the web. But the gifted innovator,
who
solves Rubik's Cubes in Braille for fun, has also been faulted by some for
developing products only he could figure out how to use.
Raman defended Android in a recent interview as "still a young platform" and
said that the accessibility problems in the browser and e-mail will be
fixed.
"There are rough edges,'' he said. "The best way to silence that criticism
is to
go and build it. I wanted this yesterday as well."
Source URL:
http://www.baycitizen.org/technology/story/smartphones-fail-visually-impaire
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<DIV>I'm talking about complete access to the iPhone, via command by =
voice.</DIV>
<DIV>Afterall, what about folks who cannot use their hands?</DIV>
<DIV>I will keep you all up to date on what happens.</DIV>
<DIV>Harry</DIV>
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elevators.<BR><BR>“Our electronic, digital universe is =
changing so rapidly=20
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box.”<BR><BR>The Blackberry’s Oratio screen reader, =
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in Motion=20
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former FCC=20
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scientist at the=20
San Francisco-based Smith-Kettlewell<BR>Eye Research Institute who =
designs=20
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iPhone is you go=20
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a<BR>visually=20
impaired person can easily magnify a web page or flip to=20
a<BR>white-on-black background.<BR><BR>The iPhone 4, unveiled this =
month,=20
expands the roster of accessibility tools,<BR>including the =
ability to=20
wirelessly connect to a device that displays =
Braille.<BR><BR>Youtube clip=20
at URL <A href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DNQKtSR5Li1A"=20
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contrast, Google’s TalkBack screen reader on its Android =
mobile=20
operating<BR>system doesn’t do enough talking, many =
advocates for the=20
blind say. Android<BR>works impressively for calling, listening to =
music,=20
using global positioning<BR>system data and applications like =
Facebook,=20
but it won’t help blind users<BR>dispatch an e-mail to their =
boss or scan=20
a website while waiting at the airport.<BR><BR>When Android was =
released=20
more than a year ago, the disability community was<BR>primed for =
more=20
innovations. When a totally accessible smartphone failed =
to<BR>materialize=20
this year, advocates for the blind castigated Google as a peddler=20
of<BR>expectations. The Android 2.2, released a few weeks ago, =
didn’t=20
substantially<BR>enhance the phone’s accessibility to blind =
and deaf=20
users.<BR><BR>Disability groups have been encouraged by some =
recent=20
victories. The National<BR>Federation of the Blind last year =
reached a=20
settlement with Motorola after<BR>pressuring the leading =
manufacturer of=20
cell phones to comply with Section 255 of<BR>the federal=20
Telecommunications Act. The act requires =
telecommunications<BR>equipment=20
manufacturers and service providers to make their products =
and<BR>services=20
accessible to people with disabilities. The agreement commits=20
the<BR>company to make the phone-related functions on its BREW =
line of=20
phones useable<BR>for non-visual customers.<BR><BR>Advocates for =
the blind=20
say Google has done extraordinary work in other areas,<BR>pointing =
to the=20
Google Books Library Project.<BR><BR>Steve Jacobs, president of =
the IDEAL=20
Group, Inc., which develops applications<BR>for the blind, said =
his=20
customers are hopeful that Google’s Project Eyes-Free =
,<BR>which invites=20
software developers to create accessible applications for =
the<BR>Android,=20
will serve up exciting inventions soon.<BR><BR>“I believe =
Google will rise=20
to that occasion,” Jacobs said.<BR><BR>T.V. Raman, a =
computer scientist=20
and engineer at Google, agrees.<BR><BR>Raman, who lost his =
eyesight at age=20
14 from glaucoma, is revered by many people<BR>with disabilities =
for his=20
pioneering work on Google’s search service that =
helped<BR>people with=20
visual impairments navigate the web. But the gifted innovator,=20
who<BR>solves Rubik’s Cubes in Braille for fun, has also =
been faulted by=20
some for<BR>developing products only he could figure out how to=20
use.<BR><BR>Raman defended Android in a recent interview as =
“still a young=20
platform” and<BR>said that the accessibility problems in the =
browser and=20
e-mail will be fixed.<BR><BR>“There are rough =
edges,’’ he said. “The best=20
way to silence that criticism is to<BR>go and build it. I wanted =
this=20
yesterday as well.”<BR><BR>Source URL:<BR><A=20
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