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From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:34 pm
Subject: Re: [G_L] Rene / [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point
Newspaper
Brother Rene,
"Please do not compound your problems. Just apologize and we move on so
I can wring your small neck. I'm waiting for you on the other side of
the apology."
Haruna, why do you want me to apologize for an observation that I
made. I made a general statement, and you should try to understand that
statement within the context that I made it.
I made a distinction between opposition to a political dispensation
that is characterized by principle and purpose; and opposition to a
political dispensation that is not characterize by principle and
purpose, but merely by a desire to change the present leadership
because it is in the wrong hands. In the hands of a person who is in
the minority.
"Yahya's hands is the wrong hands. NOT THE JOLA MINORITY. Every Gambian
understand who is the wrong hands in Gambia. Why would you unduly
extrapolate that to mean The JOLA MINORITY's hands should not be
entrusted with the governance of Gambia???? Can you trust the hands of
the other minorities?????? Can you trust the hands of the
majorities???????? "
Well, you are making that determination and that distinction. There
are others who are not making that determination and that distinction.
I do not unduly make the extrapolation, it has already been
extrapolated. Some of our opinions and political commentaries are
littered in such extrapolations.
With the kind of political dispensation that I support, all minority
and majority groups would be entrusted with the governance of Gambia.
In fact, minority or majority groupings would be so insignificant in
the process, it would not be discernible who is minority or majority.
It would all be about issues. Issues, Issues and Issues. The politics
of issues.
"Please don't compound the misspeak. Instead of make "the wrong hands"
more explicit, you introduced, inadvertently I believe, the ire of
odious tribalism Rene. Take it from a brother. Please."
Well, Haruna, I believe the smell of tribalism was already there. I
didn't introduced it. I only observed it.
"We all misspeak once in a while. The gravitas of a man is in the
recognition and correction of misspeak. You are better than this. And
plus, your problem is not with me. You can handle me very well as you
have demonstrated in the past. The problem is with the JOLA MINORITY of
GAMBIA to whom you owe apology."
Haruna, we can agree to disagree on this. You know that I have no
compunction to apologize for something done wrong; neither if I say
something untoward. But I believe I can express an observation. You can
disagree with me. And I take your disagreement in good faith. Don't
extend your misgivings to the Jola Minority. I did not do them any
wrong nor do I owe them any apology. I hold them in the same esteem and
regard as all other ethnic groupings.
Haruna. Even if you and I try to massage this to become benign, the
perception you will have left in the minds of most Gambians will have
been one of an unapologetic tribalist. Please consider carefully.
I don't know why you want to manage an observation that you may
consider tribalist. Let the statement stand for what it is, and it can
leave in the minds of most Gambians who the unapologetic tribalists
really are. I have considered it carefully.
Rene
Re: [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper
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Haruna,
"When opposition to a political dispensation is not characterizedby a
sense of principle and purpose; when such opposition is merely
thedesire to change the leadership of the country, because it has
falleninto the wrong hands (into the hands of the JOLA minority),
thepolitical narrative becomes an intensive campaign of
vilification,demagoguery against the status quo, and criticisms just
about anythingand anyone who stands in the way of bringing down such a
leadership."
The above statement in quotes is a general statement, an observation if
you will. It can also represent a political constituency that exhibits
such tendencies. I wrote it as an observation which stands independent
of the other remarks I have made. I presume it attracted the attention
it did because of the remarks I put in brackets. But without the
remarks in brackets the connotation " it has fallen into the wrong
hands" wouldn't be quite explicit. It could mean falling into the
wrong hands of anyone.
However, putting those remarks in brackets, I admit tends to make the
statement "it has fallen into the wrong hands" more explicit. Into the
hands of the JOLA minority. But is the statement true? Do some people
tend to see it that way?
Rene
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From: thegdproject <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:25 am
Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point
Newspaper
With all due respect brother Rene, how can you glean the following
conclusion from any or all of the body of material Mathew has written?;
".... because it (the govt) has fallen into the wrong hands (into the
hands of the JOLA minority)..." Rene
It is inexcusable. Just apologize and we move forward. Frankly I think
it is unlike you. Perhaps your disdain of Mathew got the better of you
temporarily. I have been and I continue to read Mathew. Even I take him
to be a rebel of all and any, including, no cause. But that he obviates
Jolas from governing Gambia?????????????? That is too extreme even for
Mathew.
Just apologize and let's go. You have bigger problems than this
misspeak of yours.
Haruna.
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From: rebadjan <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2011 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point
Newspaper
I wish to acknowledge that mails are coming to me in a filter, and I
am not getting the response of people until I opened another mail that
bears the same headline.
Now, to come to the contention that Ansu raised, I am not making any
fabrications against Mathew. This is how he comes across to me through
the many articles and opinions he has shared, that I have read. I am
the least interested about tribal politics or its insinuations, but I
can identify one when I see it.
My approach and my orientation to Gambian political issues, may be
completely different from the one that you profess; and given that now
I may be willing to respond to some of these political issues, we can
argue and debate the merits and demerits of these issues without being
acrimonious. I await your contentions and I will respond to them.
Rene
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From: Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2011 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point
Newspaper
Ansu,
Please let every G-Ler argue his/her case without being disagreeable. It
makes us a better community.
Malanding Jaiteh
On 8/11/2011 4:52 PM, Ansumana Bojang wrote:
> Rene,
>
> ".... because it (the govt) has fallen into the wrong hands (into
the
hands of the JOLA minority)..." Rene
>
> Please spare us with your tribal insinuations and stick to the
facts
and realities in Gambia and not your fantasies. If do not know Matthew
Jallow is no fan of UDP and Darboe. Go back to the archives and
apprise yourself of this. So, please read his article with some
objectivity and perhaps you could learn something; however little.
>
> I am sick of some of you guy's tribalism here. And you consider
yourselves the learned bunch. I wonder what your education has
benefited you if you preoccupy yourself with such ignorance and
chicanery. I have tried to ignore the many gibes that people have
taken at the Mandinkas here both directly and some subtlely. Enough is
Enough!
>
> Ansu
>
>
> Rene said:
>
> It looks like Mathews take on PDOIS is not govern by any
sense
of rational inquiry, but by a desire to malign and castigate as is
always the case when he writes about PDOIS.
>
>
> It also looks like Mathew does not have a through grasp of
the
dynamics that surrounds the political reality in Gambia, if so, he
would not have been making statements that runs contrary to what is
actually happening on the ground.
>
>
> When opposition to a political dispensation is not
characterized
by a sense of principle and purpose; when such opposition is merely the
desire to change the leadership of the country, because it has fallen
into the wrong hands (into the hands of the JOLA minority), the
political narrative becomes an intensive campaign of vilification,
demagoguery against the status quo, and criticisms just about anything
and anyone who stands in the way of bringing down such a leadership.
>
>
> PDOIS bears the brunt of these criticisms because of its
principle stand on issues of governance; and the mission and vision it
has articulated so profusely that does not favor the "lets get rid of
them by any means possible" or "lets get rid of them now, then decide
the fate of the country later," that is being propagated by our
political pundits and diaspora intellectuals who will rationalize any
argument as a justification for their position.
>
>
> Because Mathew is so critical about anything PDOIS, he will
jump
at every opportunity to make scathing statements about PDOIS or its
leadership, even if such statements are not grounded on facts or
reality.
>
>
> For how else can Mathew infer that the fate of PDOIS is
inextricably tied to the success or failure of the United Democratic
Party. This is the most lamentable statement I have ever read as a
political commentary in Gambian politics. It is neither grounded on
fact or reality. The fate of PDOIS has never been tied to the success
or failure of the UDP, and never will.
>
>
> The simple reason for this is that, the vision, mission,
principles and policies that guide the existence and survival of PDOIS
as a political party for more than three decades, just cannot be
equated with the UDP that has a different vision and mission. And If
Mathew tends to make this summation based on electoral gains, let him
be reminded that it took almost a century for the ANC to succeed in
South Africa.
>
>
> And no matter how big a political party or its following,
without a strong foundation it will come tumbling down like Humpty
dumpty. What happens to the P.P.P.? Whats happens to the N.C.P? They
were the largest and biggest political party and opposition political
party in the country prior to 1994.
>
>
> Who drives the opposition political agenda? Mathew may not
agree, but certainly it is PDOIS. They are the ones who are making the
public statements; writing the political blueprints and objective
standpoints that seek to guide the evolution of a process, that will
help eventually to bring about a change of government. What irks people
like Mathew is that they don't want a process; they want PDOIS to fall
behind the UDP and help to hand over the government to them. This is
not going to happen. All the name calling is not going to do the trick.
> "In my singular opinion, PDOIS owes it highest loyalty to
itself, and its storybook in The Gambia’s political
> landscape has been solely a marketing strategy whose aim is to
articulate by word and actions, the brilliance of the ideal; its own
> ideal, with the hope of attaining political power by whatever
means
through a highly suspect and superficial political brinkmanship.
> PDOIS’s trite approach to the formation of a coalition is
predicated
on its nebulous, if not Ad Nauseum subliminal references to the
leadership
> of the United Democratic Party. But the UDP does not answer to
PDOIS’s agenda nor is it obliged to fulfill what the PDOIS leadership
seems to
> characterize as the precondition to a coalition formation. For a
coalition to come into fruition, PDOIS must subordinate its authority
> to UDP without attempting to dictate the agenda, for only then
will
its hope for an eventual elevation to national and international
prominence
> ever come close to becoming reality"
>
>
> Arguably the above statement is devoid of intellectual inquiry,
that has the basis to argue any of the points that enumerated.
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