Hi List,

My big problem with Echo Link is that it was 'impolite.'  Unless this has 
changed recently, when someone logs onto a repeater whereon there is a 
conversation, the identification mechanism sounds right over the top of an 
ongoing conversation.  This is unlike ILRP whereon the identifier itself 
never sounds and a person can connect where the tones are not heard and 
there is a gap before you can speak.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: dumbing down


The problem is there are many more like them, including the majority of a
club I left a couple years for it, plus I don't have the room, equipment, or
patience anymore not to mention it left such a bad taste in my mouth as did
that club which is shrinking rapidly I hear it's a lot better for me to just
be against the whole thing. It's not radio or what I'd hope most get their
license for anyway. I'll put my efforts in to getting more users on my 900
MHz repeater and promoting people getting on the air and actually feel good
about myself instead.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Thurman" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: dumbing down


> you must ot have looked into the security settings   you can see who is =
> causing a problem and ban them fromconnecting  you can also restrict =
> connections to certain countries or prefixes quite easily  so put it =
> back up and block the idiots
>
> On May 4, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Gary Tillinghast wrote:
>
>> It is another tool in the toolbox.
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 2:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: dumbing down
>>=20
>>=20
>> Some know it as echolink but due to some true lowlifes who are the =
> reason I
>> took my simplex link system down I'll forever call it, in mixed =
> company
>> lowlifelink, in my circles and in person I call it and those =
> particular
>> users and others just like them something much more accurate and =
> worse.
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: "Ron Canazzi" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: dumbing down
>>=20
>>=20
>>> Hi John,
>>>=20
>>> What is lowlifellink ?
>>>=20
>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>> From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:50 AM
>>> Subject: Re: dumbing down
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> I agree, in fact, due to the very pour judgment of putting =
> lowlifellink on
>>> a
>>> repeater, I'll be giving up my VP slot in one club soon because I =
> can't
>>> stand to listen to that repeater though if they pull it and put it on =
> one
>>> of
>>> the other machines I can't do much with from here I may reconsider so =
> long
>>> as my name doesn't appear too many places but I'd doubt it. When I =
> was
>>> president of a club around here I monitored that repeater so much I =
> was
>>> given the codes and made a co-trusty, or a backup one and I still =
> monitor
>>> that one though I'm not an officer in that club anymore, I'm still =
> very
>>> active. Both clubs the officers are active at least on the club =
> repeaters,
>>> often everywhere which is how it should be, I think it should be a
>>> requirement to run for office.
>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>> From: "colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:47 AM
>>> Subject: Re: dumbing down
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> that drives me nuts when big players in a club don't actually have
>>>> anything
>>>> to do with "radio"
>>>> Or if they're never on the air.
>>>> Around here it's mostly because they are members of a bunch of clubs =
> and
>>>> just don't have the time between work, family and club events.
>>>> It also bugs me when they are expected to make decisions about the =
> club's
>>>> operations, without having a clue of the feeling of the general
>>>> membership...because they don't turn a radio on and listen to the
>>>> membership
>>>> talking about stuff on the club machines.
>>>> Our entire executive with our club might get an hour of PTT time a =
> week
>>>> between all of them.
>>>> And most of that is talking about other drivers, the pot holes, and =
> the
>>>> weather on the way to and from work on the freeway.
>>>>=20
>>>> I figure if your going to be part of a club, and that club operates
>>>> repeaters designed for use by the membership, then you should, =
> especially
>>>> if
>>>> you are a director or part of the operations team or an executive, =
> make a
>>>> special effort to at least monitor the club machines to keep an ear =
> open
>>>> to
>>>> the membership and the general goings on within the ham community in =
> your
>>>> area.
>>>> If you abhor clubs, then don't ever get into a ham club...the gosip =
> and
>>>> politics, and separate agenda's are like bad junior high.
>>>>=20
>>>> 73
>>>> Colin, V A6BKX
>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>> From: "Richard Fiorello" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 4:11 PM
>>>> Subject: dumbing down
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>> I just can't resist.  I don't think things have  dumbed down at all =
> just
>>>>> changed.  I'm not talking so much about the exams but day to day
>>>>> activity.  Radio has become more and more computer dependant =
> whether I
>>>>> like it or not.  My drake tr4 back in 1973 didn't know what a menu =
> was.
>>>>> It was wonderful.
>>>>> As someone else very correctly mentioned problems are made worse by =
> the
>>>>> fact that more and more hams are living in locations where antennas =
> are
>>>>> a problem.  Also the average age in many clubs is getting much =
> older and
>>>>> there just isn't that zest to tackle that 60 foot tower.
>>>>> In my locality I have found that eager helpers for those projects I =
> find
>>>>> challenging aren't nearly as available as they were in yester year.
>>>>> Partially because life is more busy and partially because many =
> folks
>>>>> just aren't up to the task.
>>>>> The club I belong to has a number of extras who have no station and
>>>>> other than limited club activity haven't operated from their own =
> qth.
>>>>> Something really dumb like a requirement to work all states prior =
> to
>>>>> taking the extra exam would start a lively debate.
>>>>> The club president who teaches classes for new hams has no station =
> or
>>>>> antenna.
>>>>> I don't think he is into echo link either.  Ham radio for the sake =
> of
>>>>> ham radio without ever turning on a radio is a interesting thought.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> --=20
>>>>> richard=20