John:

Yeah, I hear what you are saying, but I think Howard is right;  the TS480 
auto-tuner seems to be unusually forgiving, but like you, I won't operate on 
an antenna with an SWR of greater than 3 to 1, if I can help it.

And, a manual tuner does come in handy in those rare situations where the 
auto-tuner just can't cut it.

73 from Tom Behler:  KB8TYJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for a blind friendly antenna tuner?


the auto tuner in a radio can't be used with an amp anyway, it would have no
effect what so ever. The amp would still have the nice mismatch. I've never
heard of an internal tuner, especially the relay ones that would tune
anything higher than 3:1 so if you want to tune something higher than that
you probably want something external but I'd tent to opt for an antenna
that's under 3:1 on the bands you use.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tom behler" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for a blind friendly antenna tuner?


>    With all due respect, I agree with what Howard is saying here.
>
> I have found the auto-tuner in the TS480 to be very forgiving.
>
> I do use a manual tuner as well, but only when using my Ameritron Al811H
> amplifier, since the auto-tuner in the TS480 would probably be vaporized
> with the higher power level.
>
> 73 from Tom Behler:  KB8TYJ
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Howard Kaufman" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Looking for a blind friendly antenna tuner?
>
>
> What does a signal to noise ratio have to do with a tuner?
> The tuner in the 480 will tune anything under 8-1.  They have no idea what
> they are talking about!