Hello all:
Does any one know if T-Mobile has a phone like the Samsung Haven
Thanks
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Subject: Re: the most accessible phone?
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:27:00 -0700
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Hello List,
I looked at the Samsung Haven yesterday morning. The sails person at the
verizon store was able to bypass the activation screen and he fiddled around
a while and found the speak all option and activated the speech output.
Then I played around with the menus and got a good idea of the structure and
how things work.
Also, later in the day, I listened to Curtis and Karen Delzer's podcast
about the Haven.
Now for my summation of what I found.
1. I thought the keys were going to be a little more pronounced, especially
the keys above the number pad. However, after a little while I got the hang
of it. Some of the keys are flat, while others are convex. The arrow keys
all have little dots on them and the select key in the center of the arrows
is rounded. On the number pad, the 5 key has 2 marks on the left and right
edges of the key.
2. As far as the feel of the case, it's definitely a plastic case feel. I
had an LG 45 phone and it felt the same way.
3. The speech is certainly a little crappy, but again, I could probably get
more comfortable with it in a while.
4. When setting an alarm, the numbers do not speak, however, by arrowing up
or down, you can hear the new digits spoken.
All in all, I suppose this phone is probably ok for people who are looking
at a viable option for getting an accessible phone that also does text
messaging.
Because the menus use numbers, it is possible to turn on the spoken output
by pressing in the correct series of digits, after pressing left soft key.
Off the top of my head, I don't remember the sequence but it can be done.
Well, that's it for now.
Dan
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On Sep 14, 2010, at 1:18 AM, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:
> If you could share that option we could have the phone set in the store
when we pick it up.
> This would be good for those who do not have sighted help.
> Or in case our sighted help is technofobic.
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>> Hello,
>> Just one little note, regarding the Samsung Haven. After downloading and
reading the user's manual, you will need to have someone help you with a few
things.
>> In order to get all the speech output options activated, you will need to
go to the settings, sounds menu and activate the several different options,
or there is one option that will activate all speech output functions. Once
this has been set, when you use the phone from the point of switching it on,
all functions in the phone will speak to you, including texting.
>> In a few days or so, I'm going to go to a verizon store and look at one.
>> Dan
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>>
>>
>> On Sep 12, 2010, at 10:03 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>
>>> The iPhone is a pretty sophisticated phone. It would mean learning a
touch
>>> screen, which quite a few blind people are doing, but from what I've
read,
>>> it does take some getting used to. It'll also require a data plan, which
you
>>> may not want if you're not getting on the internet or using your phone
to
>>> access your email. From what I've read, I think the Samsung Haven would
be
>>> the simplest most accessible phone to use right out of the box.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christopher
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [log in to unmask]
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lauren Hook
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 10:11 AM
>>> To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: the most accessible phone?
>>>
>>> It looks from the threads that the I is the simplest out of the box most
>>> accessible for a totally blind person to use independently? I have very
>>> small children, which means I don't have lots of time to invest in. Is
my
>>> conclusion accurate?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Lauren
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <[log in to unmask]>
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>>> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 22:27
>>> Subject: Re: the most accessible phone?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Wayne,
>>>>
>>>> The Android line of devices is definitely viable for some folks. If
>>>> you're willing to invest time into what is honestly a fairly
>>>> fragmented ecosystem, then using Android isn't a big issue.
>>>>
>>>> Of all of the hardware, the Ally from LG has been what I've been
>>>> impressed with so far. The Droid has a keyboard, but the quality is
>>>> somewhat lacking as far as tactal buttons.
>>>>
>>>> On the software side, there are many points you should be aware of.
>>>> Access to the touch screen is very limited; one can have application
>>>> specific gestures if the app builds them in (Ideal web access for
>>>> example). There are no system wide gestures however, so a hardware
>>>> keyboard is a must. Blind folks can't really use the Android X,
>>>> nexus1, etc for example. Talkback/soundback/kickback do provide
>>>> access as you move the system focus around the screen, so that's
>>>> fairly standard.
>>>>
>>>> I would rate the responsiveness of the devices as somewhere below the
>>>> iPhone/Talks/MobileSpeak. The TTS quality is also not great, though
>>>> if you use Loquendo, the experience is much improved.
>>>>
>>>> Basically, there's much to be desired and it definitely feels like
>>>> lots of rough edges (some more like sharp edges). I would make the
>>>> analogy of Talkback being like Narrator in Windows 7; you can
>>>> technically get everything you need done and you might even learn to
>>>> like it and work efficiently with it, but there are better solutions
>>>> out there like Jaws (and the iPhone) that have flushed out some of the
>>>> rough edges of what the user does (i.e. braille, customizability,
>>>> native app access, touch screen access, touch typing, sound icons,
>>>> tutorial modes, etc etc.). Not saying Android won't ever get there,
>>>> but it's taking quite a bit longer than the iPhone; not that's
>>>> anyone's fault, but Android's probably more complicated because of the
>>>> vast choices in devices/custom software stacks, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Btw, I really do like the Ally's keyboard and dedicated send/end
>>>> buttons, which in many ways, makes it superior as far as dialing
>>>> without having to listen to speech.
>>>>
>>>> On 9/11/10, Wayne Merritt <[log in to unmask]>
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>>>>> Actually, there are several Android phones that have physical slide
>>>>> out keyboards, so it is possible to use the keyboard and arrows/track
>>>>> ball to move around the screen. In addition, Android has built in
>>>>> accessibility with Talk Back (the screen reader) and Kick Back (the
>>>>> vibration component that vibrates when your finger moves across an
>>>>> icon or in other situations), that allows blind users to use the
>>>>> Android OS. In addition, Talk Back can give feedback when you slide
>>>>> your finger across the touch screen part of the phone. Unlike the
>>>>> iPhone, much of the Android functions can be done via the touch
>>>>> screen. True, the Android and iPhone touch screen experiences are
>>>>> different and someone moving from an iPhone to an Android might be a
>>>>> little put off by the differences, but both have built in
>>>>> accessibility and are doable. Granted, Android is a developing
>>>>> solution and is not there yet. This is why I said that its not for the
>>>>> faint of heart. However, I know blind/partials that are using Android
>>>>> and doing a pretty good job of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know all about Android and the different phones, but I'm
>>>>> reading and learning many things, enough that I think I might just try
>>>>> it. In other words, it pays to do research before you make blanket
>>>>> statements that may or may not be correct. I've done this myself
>>>>> before on this list, and I regret he errors. From what I've read so
>>>>> far, I know that some of the statements made about Android on this
>>>>> thread are not true.
>>>>>
>>>>> A good resource that really gives lots of details and good simpel
>>>>> presentation is the Android Accessibility page, located at:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
http://eyes-free.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/documentation/android_access/index
>>> .html
>>>>>
>>>>> Also check out the recent Tech Talk show from Serotek at:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://accessibleevent.com/162233025/archive/1039/
>>>>>
>>>>> This lists the Android Accessibility link above, as well as other
>>>>> resources and some apps that are accessible with Android and Talk
>>>>> Back. One big advantage of Android for the moment is that it can be
>>>>> used on several different providers, verses the iPhone currently being
>>>>> limited to just AT&T users. Whether or not there are phones with
>>>>> physical keyboards with said carriers may be another story. The actual
>>>>> podcast of the Tech Talk show addresses many of the concerns about
>>>>> Android, accessibility, and many basic to more advanced aspects of the
>>>>> two areas. I'd recommend those interested to take a listen to this
>>>>> show.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh and, one more thing: if I were to buy the LG Ally online and sign
>>>>> up for new service with Verizon, which I very well might end up doing,
>>>>> I would pay $49 for the phone, not $199 or $399 like some have paid
>>>>> for the iPhone. I'd say that'sa pretty good price, wouldn't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my humble thoughts,
>>>>> Wayne Merritt
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/11/10, Christopher Chaltain <[log in to unmask]>
<mailto:[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>> The iPhone from AT&T will also meet all of your needs, and VoiceOver
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> come with your phone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Christopher
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alan
Siman
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 7:05 PM
>>>>>> To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: the most accessible phone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lauren
>>>>>> This may be an off the wall solution to your needs. No phone except
>>>>>> smart phones with talks or moble speaks can do emails along with your
>>>>>> other needs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am currently using voice on the go as a test for a free month. It
>>>>>> uses a speech to text engine where you talk emails and text messages
>>>>>> which are then sent forward. The service cost 5.99 per month which
is
>>>>>> cheaper then most data plans for cell phones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have an LG9100 env2 which reads me text messages and most but not
all
>>>>>> menus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The samsung haven reads every menu and texts but no email or internet
>>>>>> access.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could get a haven or env3 with verizon and sign up for voice on
the
>>>>>> go for the rest and it is a compelling combo. If you need or want
>>>>>> internet then you are in a totally different situation which is more
>>>>>> iPhone, android or speech reading software like the HTC Ozone with
talks
>>>>>> built in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/11/2010 7:46 AM, Lauren Hook wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am looking for a phone that has already built in features, mainly
>>>>>>> for calling, texting and emailing & web access would be nice, but
not
>>>>>>> crucial. Suggestions please; I'm open to any psuch accessible phone
&
>>>>>>> network.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lauren
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>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 13:40
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: the most accessible phone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> As others said, it depends on your network and what kind of phone
you
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> looking for. There are access solutions either built into the phone
>>>>>>>> or as an
>>>>>>>> external solution. Also, depending on interface you choose, there
are
>>>>>>>> several phones out there which may meet your needs.
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lauren
>>>>>>>> Hook
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 7:03 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Blindphones
>>>>>>>> Subject: the most accessible phone?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is the most accessible phone and which network do people find
>>>>>>>> the best
>>>>>>>> for coverage?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lauren
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