an STD? seriously anthony?
far more likely to get one of those from taking a dump in a public washroom 
than from a rented apartment and using multi-tennant lawndry facilities.
and a $200,000 to $400,000house is a far cry from a few thousand worth of 
ham gear isn't it?

your right to some extent though, it's a good idea to set ones sites on 
being a home owner if one has the ability to work and receive enough pay for 
that work to even be approved for a morgadge.
probably 80 to 90 percent of my friends who are home owners, not saying that 
that percentage of my friends over all are home owners, but that percentage 
of those who are, have received assistance in one form or another to get 
started with buying a home.  A 20,000 dollar down payment is pretty hefty as 
a young person....unless you make very good money, it's hard to save that 
much even by the time your 30.
that percentage of friends and aquaintences who have their own homes, 
received help from parents.
Not everyone has that option, and there are lots of good people, not well 
off people, who are forced to rent most of their lives due to financial 
reasons.
Not everyone is in a position to own their own home.
Yes, morgadges are quite often the same or cheaper than renting, but it's 
that initial approval and down payment that many people just can't get past.
the days are long gone when the banks would give you a morgadge if you were 
simply employed.  You have to be able to prove that you can make those 
monthly payments and won't default on the lone.
Too many people have done that in the last 25 years, making it far harder to 
become a first time home owner in most places.
That, and in an average canadian or american city, your looking at a 
$400,000 plus  morgagdge in most cases for a detached single family 
dwelling...the down payment alone on that is 40 grand, and the monthly 
payments are almost 2 grand.
Unless your making 25 bucks an hour, it's just not feasible.
I guess if your living in arazona, or michigan right now, you can get allot 
better deals and get into houses that people are walkking away from, but 
that isn't the case in most other places.
Even if I were able to save 20 grand somehow for a down payment, I wouldn't 
get a morgadge because of my employment history, or lack there of.  Even if 
I got a job tomorrow, I'd have to work for 5 years before they would even 
consider me as an outside possibility.

There was a time, and my dad talks about it still, when a guy who made a 
good living, could afford to buy his family a house, and have it payed off 
in 25 years.
Now, if you make a good living, your making rent, essential bills,  making 
ends meet, have a little bit for some basic recreation on the weekends, and 
that's it.

73
Colin, V A6BKX
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: D-star?


> you can't get an std sharing a washing machine and drier, come on now. 
> When
> I moved in here, the toilet, shower, all plumbing was brand new, due to
> construction and destruction debris, I spent 4 hours cleaning/washing the
> stove and oven which hadn't been used in over 10 years while this place 
> was
> empty, I own the fridge myself. I saved a very long time for my TS-2000 
> and
> all the rest of the equipment I have which is not much, certainly not 
> enough
> to make the difference in renting a smallish apartment and owning a house.
> Very likely it's all going to be for sale soon anyway as my girlfriend's 
> pay
> took a serious cut and we're not making ends meet so it's almost definite
> most if not all of it will be for sale very shortly. I sure can't do it on
> what I get right now and that's about all there is. I know a lot of it 
> will
> be sold, I'll make up a price list this week if anyone's interested in any
> of it and knows what I have let me know, I'll probably post a list soon 
> but
> the majority of it I don't want to ship and will probably take to a ham 
> fest
> in October, if my girlfriend's car is still running and that's very
> questionable.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Anthony Vece" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 5:43 PM
> Subject: Re: D-star?
>
>
>> John;
>>
>> I have a question for you and everyone on the list.
>>
>> How is it that you could have some of the nicest amateur radio equipment.
>>
>> However, you could live in rented quarters, use used appliances that 
>> other
>> p=
>> eople used to cook there food and use washers and dryers to wash there
>> cloth=
>> es.
>> I love amateur radio
>> It opened lots of doors for me and, I made some nice friends.
>> But, I have to have my own home and my own appliances.
>> I mean if your not careful you could wind up with an STD.
>> Ham radio would be at the bottom of my list.
>> Anthony
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2010, at 4:37 PM, John Miller <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> I like our laundry equipment, it's coin opped, but there's buttons 
>>> for=20
>>> temperature on the back of the washer, the type you push one button and
>>> th=
>> e=20
>>> one that was last used pops out and that's it, hot, warm and cold. Drier
>>> i=
>> s=20
>>> the same, too bad they were cheap and make a ton of noise because
>>> they're=20=
>>
>>> wearing out already after only 2 months but while they work, I enjoy
>>> them.=
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>> From: "colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 3:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: D-star?
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> it's not too hard.
>>>> You go and find the absolute cheapest stove/oven you can find.
>>>> you might have to special order that model in from your favorite
>>>> applianc=
>> e
>>>> retailer, but they'll be able to provide something that has regular
>>>> knobs=
>>
>>>> and buttons.
>>>> Our stove uses very flat buttons, on a smooth screen for the clock
>>>> and=20=
>>
>>>> timer
>>>> controls.  You can still feel where the button is to some extent, but
>>>> they're hard to feel.
>>>> washers and dryers are also going very much the way of either touch=20
>>>> screen,
>>>> very flat buttons behind a plastic film on a screen, or menu driven=20
>>>> options
>>>> especially on the washing machines.
>>>> it's difficult to find something that has regular old knobs with a 
>>>> skirt
>>>> around the edge that you can label for various cycles and times and so
>>>> on=
>> .
>>>> Our apartment building lawndry room has washers and dryers that are=20
>>>> totally
>>>> button and LCD screen controled.
>>>> not to mention they add in the complexity of a lawndry card that shows
>>>> yo=
>> u
>>>> how much you have left on the card and so on.
>>>> 73
>>>> Colin, V A6BKX
>>>>=20