the auto tuner in a radio can't be used with an amp anyway, it would have no 
effect what so ever. The amp would still have the nice mismatch. I've never 
heard of an internal tuner, especially the relay ones that would tune 
anything higher than 3:1 so if you want to tune something higher than that 
you probably want something external but I'd tent to opt for an antenna 
that's under 3:1 on the bands you use.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tom behler" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for a blind friendly antenna tuner?


>    With all due respect, I agree with what Howard is saying here.
>
> I have found the auto-tuner in the TS480 to be very forgiving.
>
> I do use a manual tuner as well, but only when using my Ameritron Al811H
> amplifier, since the auto-tuner in the TS480 would probably be vaporized
> with the higher power level.
>
> 73 from Tom Behler:  KB8TYJ
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Howard Kaufman" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Looking for a blind friendly antenna tuner?
>
>
> What does a signal to noise ratio have to do with a tuner?
> The tuner in the 480 will tune anything under 8-1.  They have no idea what
> they are talking about!