I won't comment on the fact there were two King James authorized versions of
the bible. The first version being the one with the Deuterocanonical books
contained in the Septuagint, and the second without those seven books. In
order for there to be a King James version, there had to be earlier
translations. I don't believe Luthar employed that version when he wrote
his Disputatio pro declaratione virtutis indulgentiarum in 1517.
Because, I believe the King James authorized version of scriptures was
authorized in 1611.----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: Just read the book
Christians are told to read and interpret the word ask questions. And to
make sure the Shepard they are under is preaching the right way and not
leading us astray. Catholic don't want their people to know the scriptures.
That I'd why king James had it published so that the people could know the
Bible for themselves.
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> On Jul 24, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Phil Scovell <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Which faith would that be; yours or mine?
>
> Phil.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Just read the book
>
>
>> I am not free to interpret scripture. My Faith forbids private
>> interpretation of scripture. I never said you are a liar. I am not free
>> to judge that either. As our Lord forbids such judgments. I am free,
>> however, not to believe what you believe, and you are free to do the same
>> regarding me and my beliefs. If we each believed the same things we
>> would be of the same Faith.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Scovell"
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: Just read the book
>>
>>
>>> Angel,
>>>
>>> So, since we don't agree on doctrinal positions and interpretation of
>>> some Scriptures, am I a liar because it doesn't follow the
>>> interpretation of the Catholic church or you?
>>>
>>> Phil.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Just read the book
>>>
>>>
>>>> I will not read the book. For the reasons I previously stated. Many
>>>> in this world have different beliefs than do I about all sorts of
>>>> things from . John Calvin, to Charles Taze Russell, to Joseph Smith.
>>>> All claiming to base their beliefs on scriptural accuracy. Each of
>>>> whom have flawed reasoning, in my opinion. Of course you are free, as
>>>> you have done, to disagree with me on everything. That is your right.
>>>> About which I wouldn't gainsay you. I dare say, I need not have to know
>>>> about the experiences of others regarding either heaven or hell. I
>>>> Shall be having my own experiences in good time. So why should I care
>>>> to read about those of others? When such are so personal, and can be
>>>> so easily contrived by others to make a dollar or million. -----
>>>> Original Message ----- From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:10 PM
>>>> Subject: Just read the book
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Angel,
>>>>>
>>>>> After you've read the book, and all the confirming Scriptures used in
>>>>> the book to verify the miracle, then tell us how your beliefs are
>>>>> superior to everyone else's believing in Bible doctrine and theology.
>>>>> But you aren't going to do that, are you? You are going to keep
>>>>> running down everyone else who has read it as being gullible, easily
>>>>> fooled and misguided, so called Bible believers. I still say you are
>>>>> just simply afraid to read it because you would rather believe in a
>>>>> belief system than in Scripture itself even when Scripture is clearly
>>>>> experienced by a Bible believer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:51 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Angel, Please first read Heaven is for real: a little
>>>>> boy's astounding story of his trip to heaven and back.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not angry,, I apologize if it seems that I am,. I just can't
>>>>>> understand for the life of me why protestants find it so hard to
>>>>>> believe in some Catholic teachings, such as those claiming the Saints
>>>>>> are interceding for us constantly in heaven, and that they constantly
>>>>>> are with us on earth watching over us with our personal angels. They
>>>>>> being the cloud of witnesses of which Saint Paul spoke, and they so
>>>>>> easily accept something they read from a book shelf. Almost as if it
>>>>>> were gospel itself? It seems to me, protestants will bee almost
>>>>>> willing to believe anything from almost anyone who claims it to be
>>>>>> true. Some are almost as bad as those who believe the shroud of
>>>>>> Turin is real. When Saint Paul didn't even recount what he saw in
>>>>>> heaven, and don't you think he would have at least raved about how he
>>>>>> saw Saint Steven there. If he saw him. Because, we know he suffered
>>>>>> from the guilt over the part he played in his martyrdom, if he saw
>>>>>> him in heaven. Why should I believe any modern recounts of heavenly
>>>>>> experiences. When, in order for A Saint to be canonized, two
>>>>>> miracles must be verified as having been done by that Saint. It is
>>>>>> those recounting from such Saints as Paul and John in whom I put my
>>>>>> trust concerning heavenly accounts. I ask, what is the litmus test
>>>>>> to which you all have put this recounting from this young man whom no
>>>>>> one on the list knows personally? Now I am not saying the experiences
>>>>>> themselves aren't real experiences. I am just saying why I don't
>>>>>> believe they should be taken at face value. Only God knows whether
>>>>>> those experiences weren't hallucinations. My late husband suffered
>>>>>> from a load of those. Each of which seemed perfectly real to him. I
>>>>>> know what they were too, because he spoke each he saw.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Bell"
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:56 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Angel, Please first read Heaven is for real: a little
>>>>>> boy's astounding story of his trip to heaven and back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>> I haven't read the book yet, but I intend too. My first reaction
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> what I'm reading is that this family needs our prayers, and
>>>>>>> compassion.
>>>>>>> Any book that talks about miracles should be weighed against
>>>>>>> scripture,
>>>>>>> but it seems like what happened to this little one is meant to
>>>>>>> encourage us.
>>>>>>> I haven't walked on water, or raised the dead, but God has saved
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> life more than once, and the testimonies from these events have lead
>>>>>>> people to salvation, which is what really matters.
>>>>>>> We'll know the book by it's fruit. Angel, I'm sorry you seem so
>>>>>>> angry.
>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> On 7/23/14, Phil Scovell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Then tell us everything that is theologically wrong with this
>>>>>>>> miraculous
>>>>>>>> experience. I get the feeling you don't want to read this little
>>>>>>>> book and
>>>>>>>> I'm wondering why. Why do you want to argue what you believe when
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> haven't read this book of a little boy's testimony confirmed by
>>>>>>>> Scripture
>>>>>>>> from beginning to end. Are you worried it might challenge some of
>>>>>>>> your most
>>>>>>>> closely held beliefs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Phil.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
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