In your dream Laye. Just because i expose the duplicity in your belove
doesn't mean life ends there. Nyang was mature and tolerant of views
express, unlike the likes of you, who hide behind common good to be
deceitful and dangerous. I lay the issues on the plate, what do the
friend of Demba do? They pretend to be for unity, but only the biggest
fool will believe that. If discussing open political issues means we
will not unite, then we are not worth unitying for anything.
What is it that Foroyaa do on daily basis? Aren't they out there
scanvaging for news and political advantageous materials to sell to
Gambians? Some of you don't get it, anyone who gets irritated because
Gambian politics is discuss that doesn't relate to Yahya needs his or
her head sorting out. Yahya is our current major problem, but does
that mean, all other subjects be self until he dies or is overthrown?
I will whenver necessary discuss whatever topic i find interesting, if
that mean some will use good for nothing jargons ala hypocrite, evil
or even spreading discord, let them prepare their responses ahead
then. Newspapers are here to instigate dialogue and discussions,
sometimes this are unpalatable, but life must go on and issues must be
discuss. If Demba wish to please his friends by calling for an end to
subjects on PDOIS, i am terriblly disappointed in him on that posture
of him. I expected narrow minded yobs to air such views not a season
journalist.
Or I remember this famous saying " TRUE PEACE IS NOT THE ABSENCE OF WHAT???????
As for Nyang, he wouldn't see the tricks at play, notwithstanding his
sincerity in trying to locate the double standard in the news, he is a
pro-PDOIS and will lean to that angle. I cannot convince you Nyang and
that is not my intention either.
So Laye, come head on or foot first, 'mii haa jaka!!!' If you think I
am dangerous because foroyaa is expose, then that is a good thing,
isn't it. Or does it mean anyone who don't buy Foroyaa's postulation
is evil, if that is the case, then count me in.
mobeh, are you sure you are IN the right place to argue 'wal
muunafigati'? Check the right context, because, you are doing exactly
what I am doing, or even worst. Arguing and/or having deIfering
opinions is part and percel of Islamic paradigm. Islam promotes
healthy and revealing discourse, so no one can held me to ranson on
that score. Read the history of the Sahabas at Basrah. Medina, Andalus
and many other places. What we are doing here is light weight brother.
The issue is, Yahya has mess our politics up, so we are all edgy with
those who extend the tentacles sometimes. Down with him for that. I
will order some Sumbuya, it seems to be famous on the post.
Sorry Masoud
Suntou
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:12 PM, A Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Demba, Nyang and all:
>
> It is very clear from these exchanges that Suntu is a very dangerous
> hypocrite. I would normally engage him head on as usual, but he has
> been exposed enough yet again with his pants down. This is downright
> malicious, what he is doing. So, I say cut it.........
> Please, please.............
>
> -Laye
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Demba, now you are accussing UDP supporters of causing the division
>> the last time round? There is no point responding to all your blatant
>> defense of PDOIS, but your blaming UDP supporters for the last
>> break-up speaks for itself. I was never a follower of UDP then, never
>> been part of any talk, so that leave the accusation lying squarely at
>> the doors of the UDP U.S.A.
>> Make no mistake, when media matters which are of interest to Gambians
>> handled by a partisan newspaper, the words and context issues are
>> analyse will be discuss, if you are so scared of such things being
>> discuss, what moral high ground do you have to write politics then?
>> Are you techincally saying, let us stop all partisan politics and wait
>> for post-Jammeh. How will we grow politically Demba? If the opposition
>> leaders on the ground are willing and ready to unite, whatever
>> alternative opinion is discuss, will surely make them take stock and
>> grow, not hinder unity or cause division.
>> Contrary to what you stated, the UDP supporters never cause the
>> break-up of the coalition, take a second look at the matter.
>> Suntou
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> You know guys, there is a key message that is behind this exchange that has
>>> not been discussed fully or at least it has not been exposed... I think
>>> giving the bitter experience that Gambians and opposition parties are going
>>> throught under Jammeh's watch, we should no longer allow petty stuff to
>>> divide us.
>>>
>>> It is perfectly legitimate for any one to support whatever party we want but
>>> what should not be overlooked is people reading in between the times and
>>> trying to create division or political hatred in between the very opposition
>>> parties we are trying to unite. Supporters of the UDP the main opposition
>>> party as we all agreed should no longer allow the likes of Suntou to distort
>>> the image of this party and make it look like a Republican party where only
>>> a few like-thinking minds are acceptable. The UDP should and must take the
>>> lead in anything pertaining to opposition in the Gambia. I believe this is
>>> the mindset that we have seen Mr. Darboe and many others are embracing to
>>> create an opportunity for unity.
>>>
>>> There are certain elements of the UDP the likes of Suntou and Daffeh (who
>>> has been quiet lately) whose support for the party can be a huge turnoff for
>>> many Gambians who find value in the leadership of the UDP. As Gambians, we
>>> support the UDP efforts in their struggle. We support PDOIS, NRP and any
>>> other legitimate opposition party that stands against the status quo. We
>>> may subscribe to different political ideology which is a natural thing in
>>> any democratic society, but that does not mean people should not write
>>> critical things about other parties. In fact, any informed and mature
>>> citizen must look deep into the leadership of the party they support and
>>> challenge the leaders to improve their support base. How do you do that,
>>> picking apart potential supports and trying to bring division at the time of
>>> need for unity?
>>>
>>> I believe again members of this forum largely identifies with the struggles
>>> of the UDP. We must all rally and discredit anyone who tries to inject
>>> unnecessary division in our struggle. It is one thing to wish to get some
>>> attention, but another thing to try to create unnecessary havoc among hard
>>> struggling Gambians.
>>>
>>> So Suntou and co must be challenged to desist from making others look like
>>> they hate the UDP when that is far from the truth. We will no longer allow
>>> political ignoramous and narrow minded citizens to distract us from the real
>>> struggle. Real UDP supporters are above and beyond such narrow minded
>>> visions... such people should be isolated and not be allowed to represent
>>> the true image of the party. They succeeded in dividing us the last time
>>> around and this time we are ready to call them on it when they surface their
>>> divisive tactics. Nothing can make us take our eyes off the ball this time
>>> around... be forewarned.....
>>>
>>> Peace...
>>> Demba
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Suntou,
>>>>
>>>> How this misread of Foroyaa turned into personal banter between Mr. Manneh
>>>> and Mr. Touray is beyond me. Dave is the consummate colonial soldier like my
>>>> cousin and I shared he has a unique way of putting his point across. If he
>>>> wants to call you Mr. Touray, let him. I will discourage him from referring
>>>> to warambas and khaftans in this particular exchange because that only
>>>> extrapolates disagreement and disdains. He is not used to that. I have known
>>>> him to stick to issues at hand. But don't dwell on your own significances or
>>>> lack thereof when graver matter is discussed. I will be disappointed if this
>>>> goes any further and you being the elder, I encourage you take leave of it.
>>>> There are other life matter more worth pursuing.
>>>>
>>>> How can folk "debate" impassioned opinions? And online? Mr. Touray,
>>>> Suntou, Bolongba, Mr. Manneh, Dave, Lamin. What is wrong with any of that? I
>>>> understand the connotations of turning informal banter to more
>>>> formal sleights and escalations but this matter of perspectives hardly
>>>> qualifies for erstwhile derisions.
>>>>
>>>> Haruna.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Sent: Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:58 am
>>>> Subject: Re: [>-<] Political opportunism (Foroyaas coverage of Peters
>>>> arrest)
>>>>
>>>> Dave, please, please, let us keep things simple. Stop trying to cause
>>>> disharmorny in a political matter like this. The issue has nothing to
>>>> do with me and you, it is on a subject matter which is cleary define.
>>>> If you have nothing to say on the subject, better do something else
>>>> that take your fancy. I have no interest what assumption you have of
>>>> me. As you said, i don't know you and you don't know me, so why not we
>>>> accept each other base on simple principles. It is a simple request,
>>>> refer to me with my first name. Whether you know me out side the
>>>> confine space of your G-post is completely irrelevant.
>>>> My Kaftan or Sumbuya never harm you, or did they? I respect you and i
>>>> hope you stop getting excited. I may have little friends in your
>>>> coveted G-Post, but i careless about that Dave. Address the issue and
>>>> lets discuss. My Kaftan, Subumya, waranba or Daba kurto is none of
>>>> your business....
>>>> I would have thought an experience G-Post member like you would have
>>>> grown out the petty attitude inherent in some folks out here. But how
>>>> wrong i was to think like that.
>>>> Suntou Bolonba
>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Dave Manneh <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Mr Touray,
>>>> > I rather know that you are incapable of an unsentimental and vigorous
>>>> > debate
>>>> > that's all.
>>>> >
>>>> > PS: Do not feel too special for your Khaftan and Sumbuya: I only call
>>>> > people
>>>> > by their first names if/when I happen to know them outside of the online
>>>> > fora, or have had personal dealings with them. So am afraid it is going
>>>> > to
>>>> > be Mr Touray; and I hope you won't take offence at that.
>>>> > Kind Regards,
>>>> > Dave
>>>> > 2009/10/29 suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by suntou touray
>>>> >> <[log in to unmask]> ]
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dave, i am never a pacifist, you of all people should never start
>>>> >> assuming things about others. What is alien to me is completely
>>>> >> unknown to you. So don't become a magician all of a sudden simply
>>>> >> because i direct you to read again the reports of Foroyaa. The way you
>>>> >> see the coverage and how you interpret is up to you. We see things
>>>> >> diffierently, but anyone who tries to pretend foroyaa is not being
>>>> >> funny here is avoidin the obvious issues raised. By the way, address
>>>> >> me as suntou if that is not of any trouble. Thanks
>>>> >> Sntou Bolonba
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Dave Manneh <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > Thanks Mr Touray.
>>>> >> > He who posits bears the burden of proof. This is a simple axiom. But
>>>> >> > I
>>>> >> > fully
>>>> >> > understand why you would find this concept a bit alien.
>>>> >> > Kind Regards,
>>>> >> > Dave
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 2009/10/29 suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by suntou touray
>>>> >> >> <[log in to unmask]> ]
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Dave, if you cannot pick the queries from my humble observation,
>>>> >> >> sorry. I am not here to point to you at any direction. The two links
>>>> >> >> provide enough substance to see the game of Foroyaa. Use that time
>>>> >> >> you
>>>> >> >> have and re-read the comments from the paper.
>>>> >> >> Suntou Bolonba
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Dave Manneh
>>>> >> >> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >> > Mr Touray,
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > Please elaborate a little more if you would, on what constitutes
>>>> >> >> > “Political
>>>> >> >> > Opportunism” on Forooya and/PDOIS’ part/s?
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > I’ve read both links you provided, and I am still none the wiser
>>>> >> >> > as
>>>> >> >> > to
>>>> >> >> > what
>>>> >> >> > could have raised your ire.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > I suppose most importantly too, why, in your view
>>>> >> >> > should PDOIS and Foroyaa be two entities; independent and separate
>>>> >> >> > from
>>>> >> >> > each
>>>> >> >> > other?
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > Kind Regards,
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > Dave
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > NB: Am at a loose-end presently; having finished one project and
>>>> >> >> > not
>>>> >> >> > started
>>>> >> >> > on another. So I've spare time to indulge in cyber chitchat.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > 2009/10/29 suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by suntou
>>>> >> >> >> touray
>>>> >> >> >> <[log in to unmask]> ]
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> In has much i wish to avoid focusing on the style the foroyya
>>>> >> >> >> news
>>>> >> >> >> paper adopted in reporting the UDP rally and subsiquent events,
>>>> >> >> >> one
>>>> >> >> >> cannot but comment on their strategic ploy to make the issue down
>>>> >> >> >> bit.
>>>> >> >> >> The Foroyaa reportage culled from www.gainako.com higligthed
>>>> >> >> >> serious
>>>> >> >> >> opportunism on the part of Foroyaa the arm of PDOIS. They claim
>>>> >> >> >> that,
>>>> >> >> >> whatever was mention on the UDP rally was reported by their
>>>> >> >> >> paper.
>>>> >> >> >> As
>>>> >> >> >> if rallies are the same as news paper items. If it is trust and
>>>> >> >> >> mutual
>>>> >> >> >> cooperation we are all advocating, the Foroyaa should change its
>>>> >> >> >> stance and see to it that, their views or way is not the only
>>>> >> >> >> way.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> We want to respect the persons and agendas of all the opposition,
>>>> >> >> >> try
>>>> >> >> >> to bridge the gabs, therefore, Foroyaa activitiues on this issue
>>>> >> >> >> is
>>>> >> >> >> unprofessional and politically bias.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> http://www.gainako.com/news/news/2009/10/29/public-meeting-by-political-parties-is-a-constitutional-political-and-civic-right-and-not-a-privilege.html.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> In an earlier coverage on the episode, Foroyya went as far as
>>>> >> >> >> quote
>>>> >> >> >> a
>>>> >> >> >> number to the people that attended the rally. Were they guessing
>>>> >> >> >> or
>>>> >> >> >> did they actually count the number of people that attended the
>>>> >> >> >> rally?
>>>> >> >> >> Foroyaa should do its best to always be seen to be independent of
>>>> >> >> >> PDOIS, if not their side of stories like this will be rejected
>>>> >> >> >> and/or
>>>> >> >> >> taken with a pinch of salt.
>>>> >> >> >> http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3750
>>>> >> >> >> Suntou Bolonba
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
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