Doris,

There is an indwelling, which occurs at the moment of salvation, and an 
infilling which is what I experienced when I was 30.

Phil.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pray Without Ceasing - Tongues?


>I am absolutely sure, Mr. Phil, that you were filled with the spirit before 
>age 30 because if I remember correctly, you became a Christian much longer
>
> Hugs,
>
> Doris
>
> and every Christian is indwelt by the spirit.
>
>
> At 01:50 PM 8/14/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>Doris,
>>
>>I was filled with the Holy Spirit at age 30 by myself in the basement of 
>>my home.  I never spoke in tongues until three years later.
>>
>>Phil.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:35 PM
>>Subject: Re: Pray Without Ceasing - Tongues?
>>
>>
>>>That's what the Lord tells me in my middle when I talk to him. The little 
>>>tradition I come from, rejects speaking in tongues while several of my 
>>>friends insnist on it being a sign of a true born-again Christian.  I 
>>>think one is as wrong as the other.
>>>
>>>I've  never personally felt the need or desire to speak in tongues but am 
>>>glad for th ose who find expression and access to God when they use the 
>>>gift.
>>>Actually, as a much younger Christian I sometimes longed for the gift of 
>>>tongues when I feltI had no words or may prayer just went to the ceiling 
>>>or lower still , i wished I could speak in tongues. Today I think that 
>>>when it gets to middle stuff, I think a lot of that is beyond words 
>>>anyway. A lot of deep stuff is. Often with Chrhis and me, we know what 
>>>the other thinks anyway and there is no need for words. Sometimes when I 
>>>share deep with Papito, I ask him if he can see my middle and even more 
>>>often he does and sometimes before I do like a daddy does. And if people 
>>>like Chris or Papito don't - and Ned doesn't believe in angel speak but 
>>>just in "tongues" as being able to speak other languages like Spanish or 
>>>German - then Mr. God sure doesn't because he is in the middle and all 
>>>around and he made us in the first place knitting needles and all. The 
>>>gifts we get are to help us to help God do his God stuff whether Angel 
>>>Speak so we have a channel for beyond words stuff if that helps us 
>>>because God's loves to hear from us or whether it is the gift of using 
>>>languages to preach to other people - or, I bet, language in any sense 
>>>not just for preaching but for writing and writing songs and music and 
>>>painting with words in whatever form.
>>>
>>>Isn't there some song about one's life being a song or prayer to God in 
>>>the first place? I have half-remembered lyrics in the back of my mind 
>>>ever since us starting this subject - not tongues but the ceaseless 
>>>prayer - but I don't remember lyrics really nor a tune. Oh well.
>>>
>>>Thanks for your confirmation on the subject, Mr. Phil.
>>>
>>>In his loving grip!
>>>
>>>Doris
>>>
>>>
>>>At 12:31 PM 8/14/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>>>Doris,
>>>>
>>>>You are correct.  Tongues is a spiritual gift, which means, no one 
>>>>needs, or has to, speak in tongues.  It belongs in the prayer category 
>>>>due to its twofold nature.  However, anyone who says you have to speak 
>>>>in tongues for any reason isn't interpreting Scripture correctly.  Pray 
>>>>without ceasing isn't tongues but it could be used at times in the 
>>>>process; it's just not a requirement.
>>>>
>>>>Phil.
>