You are right. God allows much with which he doesn't approve. Just look at
all sorts of ungodly practices practiced by many these days. Homosexual
marriage being one such practice. On that we agree. But, that wasn't what
the discussion was about. I was attempting, again to explain why the Saints
of all ages share in the living body of Christ, and why we believe they are
constantly interceding for us on our behalf to the lord our God. So many
lack sufficient understanding of why requests for saintly intercession is
practiced by so many, and why so many are comforted by this knowledge.
That was all. Of course you are free to believe what it is you choose. As
we all are.
----- Original Message -----
From: "john schwery" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Praying to the dead
> Because God allowed it, doesn't mean that He approved it.
>
> earlier, Angel, wrote:
>>We aren't talking about necromancy here. Even if what you say is true,
>>God allowed Saul to be visited by Samuel. When he was called up from the
>>dead. Also, if it were true, there wouldn't be an exhortation and a
>>condemnation for those who actively practice necromancy. There are those
>>who claim the spirit of Samuel was demonic in origin. But, if one
>>believes totally in sola scriptura, as protestants do, the bible doesn't
>>make that clear. Thus believing in that leans on protestant
>>interpretation and protestant tradition to sustain such belief. In any
>>case, The passage to which you refer is that conversation between Abraham
>>and divies. In which Divies was requesting father Abraham to do something
>>even the saints who have preceded us can not do. Because the saints' job
>>is not to evangelize after they have left this world. Nor is it to
>>provide room service for those residing in hell. Also, the saints
>>regardless where is their residence have no obligation to any who are in
>>hell. Also, The story to which you refer was one told by Jesus before his
>>great sacrifice for us. Which sacrifice transfigured us all forever.
>>Evangelizing is our job alone. As was stated in the great commission to
>>the apostles that they go in to the whole world and preach the gospel to
>>every creature. On the mount of Transfiguration Moses and Elijah was seen
>>on that mount talking together with Jesus. Which disproves what you say
>>about saints not being mobile between the two worlds. In fact, Saint Peter
>>was so moved he suggested a monument should be erected to memorialize the
>>occurrence. Further, at least one conversation did occur between Divies
>>and father Abraham. As do those between the saints and us, assisted by
>>the holy spirit.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 1:17 AM
>>Subject: Re: Praying to the dead
>>
>>
>>Because there is a big void that seperates them from earth and hell. The
>>ones in hell cannot for the sane reason. Only angels and evil spirits can
>>come back and forth
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:05 AM, Angel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>That sort of puts a constraint on just what it is they can do doesn't it?
>>>If the angels, who are constantly praising God, as are we here on earth
>>>without ceasing, and are given time to constantly serve us as guardian
>>>Angels, ministering to our needs. If we can be constantly praising God,
>>>both waking and sleeping, while we have jobs and raise families here on
>>>earth. Why can't the saints intercede for us in heaven, as we who live
>>>here in this plane of existence find time to pray for those on this list
>>>who ask for prayer? While still praising God. If we can find time in
>>>this temporal world to pray for those who request it of us, then the
>>>saints, who live in a timeless eternity surely can devote time, which
>>>isn't even an issue for them any longer to pray for us. Especially so,
>>>because physical constraints such as the needs presented by the physical
>>>body are not issues for them. Constant praise to God in Heaven is
>>>understood, and is assumed by us as a primary postulate by all the
>>>heavenly host, both angels and saints.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:38 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Praying to the dead
>>>
>>>
>>>They can not intercede for you only Jesus can the saints are in Heaven
>>>where you remember the earth know more because you are to busy praising
>>>The Lord read Luke 16.
>>>
>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>>On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:57 PM, Angel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>When the saints either living or dead intercede for us, we aren't
>>>>praying to them. Just as I am not praying to you if I were to ask for
>>>>your prayers for me. If I were wanting your assistance that I might
>>>>endure a difficult time in my life. Also, as the second McCabe's isn't
>>>>in your cannon, I won't even expect those scriptures to cancel out those
>>>>which you quoted. As they would be dismissed. I will not engage in an
>>>>argument regarding something without a possible satisfactory resolution
>>>>for either of us. Prayers aren't offered up to our saints. In the same
>>>>sense as I suspect was meant by your post. Rather the saints continue to
>>>>exist conjoined with us as does Jesus, and the blessed Theotocos .
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:11 PM
>>>>Subject: Praying to the dead
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A few verses for those who think you can pray to dead ones. Like saints
>>>>or relatives. Isaiah 8:19-20. 19. When someone tells you to consult
>>>>mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people
>>>>inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living.
>>>>20. Consult God's instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone
>>>>does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.
>>>>
>>>>Sent from my iPhone=
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