My niece who was born and raised in NC, dated black guys all throughout her
dating years and is now married to a black guy from Togo.  She once told me
that biracial couples were common in her high school, and I can tell you
the same is true of my synagogue - we have five biracial couples in a
congregation of perhaps 200 members - not a lot but more than you would
think.

When I was in high school in the late 60s, we had at least one biracial
couple dating and when I got to college there were at least three in my
year (total student population was 500).  So while it's not totally
accepted here, it's not that uncommon.

Kat


Original Message:
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From: KE Cleveland [log in to unmask]
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:01:29 -0400
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: interested in others take on this....


Kat,

Agreed that biracial children are not as uncommon as in previous
generations, with the possible exception of the Deep South, and I believe
that is changing as well.  Still, I'm just using the experiences of my
friends for my examples.  Just because we want something to be true does not
necessarily make it so.  In fact, I would say racism from the black
community is alive and well and is rather Politically Correct--witness the
Black Congressional Caucus, FUBU clothing, BET television, McDonald's
targeting of black folks in their advertising (you can include Kool
cigarettes and Colt .45 Malt Liquor in that group as well).

I believe that we have come full-circle and are seeing racism from there
very group that, during the '60's, struggled so hard against the same.

As regards Obama's faith, I'm not certain what he believes, but he certainly
isn't Muslim!

Kyle

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:43 PM, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]
> wrote:

> Obama has made his grandparents and mother the focus of one of his ads so
> he's not pushing them into the background.  Kids from biracial families
are
> so common these days that identification isn't really an issue, IMHO.
>
> Also here's an interesting article about the source of the lie that Obama
> is a Muslim:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27157703/.  Very unreliable to say the least!
>
> Kat
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Cleveland, Kyle E. [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:25:36 -0400
>  To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: interested in others take on this....
>
>
> Granted, Peter, but biracial kids generally identify with the folks
> within a racial group that has the greatest impact on their lives.  Now
> in my (eldest) daughter's case, she married a black fellow and both his
> parents and Laura and I would do anything we could to raise their
> children were something bad to happen.  I'm sure Ben's parents feel the
> same way.  I would expect these kids to "imprint", if you will, with the
> racial group of their custodial grandparents.  Like it or not, we all
> identify with one race or another--to some extent it shapes who we are.
>
> That being said, I have a few friends who are progeny of mixed-raced
> marriages and they've said to a person that they group up feeling
> neither fish nor fowl--that kids from either races shunned them growing
> up.  Obama was lucky for two reasons: 1) He was raised abroad until the
> fifth grade when he moved to Hawaii to live with his maternal
> grandparents.  Hawaii is probably the most racially homogenized of the
> 50 states.  2) His grandparents were relatively wealthy--enough so that
> they were able to send him to private boarding school (Punahou School).
> Not very many parents can afford this.  A tiny fraction of those are
> black.  I doubt seriously that he personally has felt anything like the
> full brunt of racism experienced by his black contemporaries.
>
> Kyle
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of Peter Hunsberger
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:57 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: interested in others take on this....
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:43 AM, KE Cleveland <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > I wonder why Obama identifies himself as "black" when his mother, and
> the
> > grandparents that, supposedly, were so instrumental in his upbringing
> were
> > white?
>
> Who you were raised by does not change your genetics / race ...
>
> --
> Peter Hunsberger


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