Kyle,
in college one of my roommates had already had three abortions by the age of 22. And it's probably both a good/bad thing. 
why? because she was already messed up, she wouldn't have been a good mother... but sad because it screwed her up even more I'm sure...  imho; only the woman can determine (if single), or a couple, whether it's untenable to carry a baby to term. 
 
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From: KE Cleveland <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:06:54 PM
Subject: Re: Palin's record on special needs kids is mixed

Mags and all,

Just for the record, my issue with Obama is neither his stance on gay rights
or abortion.  I don't have a dog in either fight, as my daddy would say.  My
position on abortion is compassion for women who have gone through the
experience.  The two women I know that had abortions as teens say that the
whole affair was the most emotionally traumatic experience either has ever
had.  There's a group I support in Columbus called HEART (stands for Healing
the Effects of Abortion Related Trauma).  Its a place that women can go and
discuss their experiences with other women in a non-judgemental atmosphere.

As far as cops and gay marriage in the Bay Area of California, mags, I'm
with you--WTF?  Given the overwhelming acceptance of the gay lifestyle in
the area, it just doesn't make any sense.

Kyle

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> today i got a big postcard about "your cops vote"... and it made me mad,
> because they weren't just saying vote this way on safety/crime
>  issues; and i was thing; WTF? Why on earth would i want to vote the way
> cops vote??  Why are cops telling me to vote against gay marriage?
> It's not a crime to be gay.  personally, I think it's biolgical.  I read an
> article that they tested different people sweat, and only gay men liked the
> sweat of other gay men, and i found that interesting. A long time ago, a
> lesbian friend told me she took chinese herbs for a while, and she says they
> made her horny for men... A union of two people who love each other should
> not be a threat to straight people.
>
> I don't vote strictly democratic, I also won't vote all this way or that
> way. I make the effort to read calif's endless voters pamphlet,
> and I choose which props (sometimes as many as 25 propositions!)  make
> sense to me. In local races, I vote for small businesspeople and if they
> happen to be minoritys that's fine. I tend to not vote for career
> politicians after a certain number of years, because the system tends to
> corrupt them. Fr the judicial seats, I read what each person has said, I
> look at where they've been working, and then I decide whether i want to vote
> for a man or woman, or a Hispanic or other minority if they are otherwise
> qualified.
>
> Mag
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> From: KE Cleveland <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:58:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Palin's record on special needs kids is mixed
>
> Anthony, I'm a "single-issue" voter, too (abortion is not my top issue,
> though it's up there).  With most candidates (certainly not all) you can
> still gauge their stance on issues of lower importance (to you) by their
> positions on issues of higher personal importance.
>
> Being pragmatic, it seems to me that there is somewhat of a correlation
> between level of disability and political lean.  I would think that most
> folks who have disabilities to the extent that they need assistance from
> the
> government to raise their "quality of life", whether it's SSI, ADA issues,
> Medicaid, etc.--they are going to want a political majority that will
> protect these things.  And why not?  People in a "representative democracy"
> will vote for issues that aid them directly and for the party that supports
> those issues.  I am fortunate enough not to need any assistance (yet), so
> those issues, on a personal level, are lower on my priority list--that's
> just the way it works.
>
> What bothers me is when people support the "party" and the party's
> candidate
> as some sort of knee-jerk reaction.  For example, I have many relatives
> that
> moved north to the "rust belt" during and after WW2 to work in the defense
> and auto industries.  They all became members of the United Auto Workers
> (UAW) union, of course, and found that the Democratic Party supported their
> personal interests.  Therefore, they (and the rest of the regional
> population) voted straight-ticket Democrat for decades.  The problem is
> that
> the American auto industry, and its high hourly wage for unskilled labor,
> is
> almost dead.  And it's been dying since the 70s.  No amount of life-support
> from either party is going to save it.  But my aunts, uncles and cousins
> still pull that Democrat lever because....well, just because.
>
> This floors me, because:
>
> They don't approve of "on-demand" abortion
> They "cling to their guns"
> They "cling to their religion"
> They disapprove of gay unions
> ...and so on
>
> You get the picture?
>
> Again, I'm trying to be pragmatic here.  Personally, I don't care much at
> all for John McCain's domestic politics, though I respect him greatly for
> his perseverance while he was imprisoned in Hanoi.  I'll be punching his
> ticket on Nov. 4, but I'll be holding my nose while doing it.  He doesn't
> really support the domestic issues that are of greatest importance to me,
> but he isn't opposed to them AS MUCH as Obama is.
>
> I'm sure Barack Obama is a nice fellow and a wonderful husband and father.
> He just happens to feel differently than I do about issues that are
> important to me.
>
> Kyle
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Anthony Arnold
> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
> > I like how they always make Todd and Sarah out to be such good parents
> > since
> > they didn't choose to abort Trig. I don't know how I feel about abortion,
> > but that should be the right of the couple (or the woman in some cases)
> to
> > choose and nobody else's. It's amazing how some are going to base their
> > vote
> > on that.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony Arnold
> > Remote Troubleshooter for PRC
> > 1-800-262-1984 ext. 494
> > www.anthonyarnold.net
> > Proud Member of Speak Share
> >
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> > Kendall D. Corbett
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:07 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Palin's record on special needs kids is mixed
> >
> > Interesting article on Palin's actions as Alaska governor. Explains about
> > McCain's autism referrences also - Palin has a nephew with autism, as
> well
> > as having Trig, her son, who has Down syndrome.
> >
> > http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hGcOUpWUgbLc_WRhu4sgV69OeCrgD93RRC5G0
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