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NEW YEARS EVE GALA
Thursday, December 31, 2009
8:00 PM till Midnight and beyond
Grand Ball Room
Knights of Columbus
5256 Verona Road
Fitchburg, WI 53711
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Samba,
My thoughts are split right now. On one hand, anything is better than what existed before, but I would have liked to have seen a public option.
I cannot wait to hear more about what actually passed, but believe it is definitely a step in the right direction.
John
On Dec 21, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Baldeh, Samba wrote:
>
> John and Vera,
>
> I think without you the list will be boring... can you pick on the
> health care reform bill that just passed the senate... I am thinking
> Vera will argue/discuss more like a Republican/Conservative and John may
> be the opposite... On a more serious note though I think it be helpful
> to analyze what is there for the poor person because it is suppose to be
> for them/us...
>
> Samba
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: African Association of Madison [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of VERA R CROWELL
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:54 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: What are your thoughts?
>
>
>
>
> John,
>
> I knew what you meant. Doesn't Planned Parenthood want there to be fewer
> abortions? Isn't the tagline for the Pro-Choice movement to "make
> abortions rare?" Well, if teaching young people about fetal development
> helped them to make better choices regarding their actions in addition
> to helping them to prevent the conception of a child, why is that
> regarded as something negative?
>
> We should all want what is best for young people and their futures.
>
> ******************************
> "In the days before volcanoes were invented, lava had to be hand carried
> down from the mountains and poured on the sleeping villagers. This took
> a great deal of time."
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Anderson <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:45 am
> Subject: Re: What are your thoughts?
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>> ********************************************************
>>
>> NEW YEAR'S EVE GALA
>>
>> Thursday, December 31, 2009
>>
>> 8:00 PM till Midnight and beyond ...
>>
>> Grand Ball Room
>>
>> Knights of Columbus
>>
>> 5256 Verona Road
>>
>> Fitchburg, WI 53711
>>
>> ********************************************************
>>
>>
>> You misread what I wrote, Vera. Fetal development class is not a
>> building block in the prevention of STDs and pregnancies. Fetal
>> development class is promoted by conservatives as a tool to prevent
> abortion.
>>
>> Happy holidays,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Dec 21, 2009, at 8:38 AM, VERA R CROWELL wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You scare me, John. Why do you think that teaching young men and
>> women about fetal development--before they become parents--is
>> 'draconian?' Don't we have more than enough children suffering due to
>> FAS? Don't we have more than enough children born to drug-addicted
>> parents? Have you read the research indicating that males who smoke
>> are more likely to have children with juvenile leukemia? Haven't more
>> than enough families and children had to suffer the ravages of this
>> disease? Information is key.
>>>
>>> Why the double standard?
>>>
>>> As far as criminalizing teenage sex goes, 19 & 20 year old males
>> have no business 'doing the business' with 13, 14 and 15 year old
>> girls. Period. At all. Neither do grown men, but it happens all the
> time.
>>>
>>> Read this and get back to me.
>>>
>>> http://www.racialicious.com/2008/12/21/original-essay-the-not-rape-e
>>> pidemic/
>>>
>>> ******************************
>>> "In the days before volcanoes were invented, lava had to be hand
>> carried down from the mountains and poured on the sleeping villagers.
>>> This took a great deal of time."
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: John Stafford Anderson <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Date: Monday, December 21, 2009 8:00 am
>>> Subject: Re: What are your thoughts?
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>
>>>> ********************************************************
>>>>
>>>> NEW YEAR'S EVE GALA
>>>>
>>>> Thursday, December 31, 2009
>>>>
>>>> 8:00 PM till Midnight and beyond
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Grand Ball Room
>>>>
>>>> Knights of Columbus
>>>>
>>>> 5256 Verona Road
>>>>
>>>> Fitchburg, WI 53711
>>>>
>>>> ********************************************************
>>>>
>>>> Exactly. "Fetal development courses" are as disingenuous a scare
>>>> tactic as criminalizing teenaged sex is draconian. The
>>>> "abstinence-based approach" has done nothing to stem the pregnancy
>>
>>>> rate. I agree that kudos are due MPS.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 20, 2009, at 8:46 PM, Emilie Ngo Nguidjol wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you really find the Republicans' (rejected) amendments
>>>> responsible? What ever happened to the proverbial "prevention is
>>>> better than cure"? Where are these Republicans when the teen
>> mothers
>>>> need help raising their babies? Aren't they the same people who
>> have
>>>> ostracized the teen and single economically disadvantaged mothers?
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, careful scientific studies indicate rather
>> consistently
>>>> that condom distribution programs are not significantly related to
>>
>>>> initiation of sexual intercourse (in other words, they don't prompt
>>
>>>> young people to start having sex), but they DO promote safer sexual
>>
>>>> practices among youth who are sexually active. With Milwaukee's
>>>> relatively high rate of teen pregnancy, this is a bold but very
>>>> responsible move on the part of the school district.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kudos to the MPS for this bold move.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Emilie
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Vera Crowell <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009 8:26 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: What are your thoughts?
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Republicans offered amendments - rejected by Democrats - that
>>>> would
>>>>>> have required schools to teach students about fetal development
>> and
>>>>
>>>>>> the potential for criminal charges against underage students for
>>
>>>>>> having sex."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too many of our young men get into trouble having sex with
>> underage
>>>>
>>>>>> girls & too many girls are victimized by older boys & grown men.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Teaching fetal development might decrease drug & alcohol use
>> among
>>>> females.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing wrong with those amendments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Explain again how passing out condoms will lower the % of
>> students
>>>>
>>>>>> having sex.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a very interesting paper in the current issue of
>>>> 'Demography'
>>>>>> showing that delaying the onset of sexual activity among girls
>>>>>> increases the likelihood of her graduating from high school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/demography/v046/46.4.sabi
>>>>>> a.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joseph J. Sabia
>>>>>> Daniel I. Rees
>>>>>> The Effect of Sexual Abstinence on Females' Educational
>>>>>> Attainment Demography - Volume 46, Number 4, November 2009, pp.
>>>>>> 695-715
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Population Association of America
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A number of studies have shown that teenagers who abstain from
>> sex
>>>> are
>>>>>> more likely to graduate from high school and attend college than
>>
>>>> their
>>>>>> sexually active peers. However, it is unclear whether this
>>>> association
>>>>>> represents a causal relationship or can be explained by
>> unmeasured
>>>>
>>>>>> heterogeneity. We employ a variety of statistical techniques to
>>>>>> distinguish between these hypotheses, using data on females from
>>
>>>> the
>>>>>> National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. Our results
>>>> provide
>>>>>> evidence that delaying first intercourse leads to an increased
>>>>>> likelihood of graduating from high school. This relationship
>>>> appears
>>>>>> to be strongest among respondents in the bottom third of the
>>>> ability
>>>>>> distribution. Controlling for fertility reduces, but does not
>>>>>> eliminate, the estimated effect of delaying intercourse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2009, at 7:24 PM, Emilie Ngo Nguidjol
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ********************************************************
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NEW YEAR'S EVE GALA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thursday, December 31, 2009
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 8:00 PM till Midnight and beyond
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Grand Ball Room
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Knights of Columbus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5256 Verona Road
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fitchburg, WI 53711
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ********************************************************
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's an article from the Milwaukee Journal/ Sentinel that
>>>> reports
>>>>>> on a gutsy and responsible move by the Milwaukee school district.
>>
>>>> The
>>>>>> vote is to be applauded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/79580982.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Happy holidays,
>>>>>>> --Emilie
>>>>>>>
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