Bill, I agree.  Apple made the Mac accessible because they wanted to 
continue selling to the Fede4ral Government, didn't want to have 
Section 508 problems.

They made iTunes accessible in large part because some serious 
lawsuits were pending.

Over the years Apple has been very good at looking like they are 
disabilities friendly, but actually doing very little -- it seems to me.

Dave

At 04:47 PM 2/23/2009, Sun Sounds of Arizona wrote:
>Okay great you have a Nanno.  But I must point out to you that both that
>IPod, and the later Macs, are now accessible because a lot of us have been
>calling Apple to task on this issue.  The original IPods were not
>accessible.  It took them until the Nano 4 to get it.  The early Macs were
>also not terribly friendly.  So why do you suppose the Apple, one of the
>worst access companies I've ever seen, went from that to now one of the more
>access friendly companies.  Do you think it was because they had a vision
>from God?  No, it was because lots of us have been on their case for some
>years now, and they either finally realized there was a market, or they just
>got tired of dealing with us, but either way, we as consumers made this
>happen.  It's no different with the Kindle.  It doesn't matter if you have
>alternatives.  It matters that main stream products, like the Kindle, take
>that tiny extra step necessary to make a horrible product for access, become
>another choice for those of us who want variety and access.  Choice is the
>fundamental element of freedom, and yes, before you shoot me down on that, I
>do mean it exactly that way.  Living equal and free is all about having
>choice.
>
>Bill
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Poehlman [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:27 PM
>To: Sun Sounds of Arizona
>Cc: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] the Kindle 2 Petition
>
>I don't buy this.  what we do is proclaim what we use and why loud and
>clear.  I use an Ipod nano 4g why?  because it is accessible and comes
>from a mainstream company.  I use an apple macintosh computer.  Why?
>because it is accessible and comes from a mainstream company.  If they want
>us to buy, they'll make accessible.  no petition required.  no begging
>required.
>
>On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Sun Sounds of Arizona wrote:
>
>Because if we ever want to be taken into account from the get go, and not be
>forced to use special gear, then they need to know we don't appreciate being
>overlooked once again.  particularly on something like this which already
>has speech and should have been fully accessible.
>Bill
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Visually Impaired Computer Users' Group List
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Poehlman
>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:12 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] the Kindle 2 Petition
>
>Why?
>
>I don't want to be a wet blanket, but Amazon is no stranger to knowledge of
>accessibility, we have accessible digital readers and material a plenty so
>if they don't want us to use their stuff, we don't have to.
>
>On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Jody W. Ianuzzi wrote:
>
>Hi all,
>
>We may want to sign the below petition requesting Amazon to make the Kindle
>accessible:
>
>.
>http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Kindle2/petition.html
>
>JODY
>
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