Kyle,
What is NOLA?
I could not believe they re-elected the Mayor...
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----- Original Message ----
From: "Cleveland, Kyle E." <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:27:26 AM
Subject: Re: New Orleans and Gustav
Louisiana's laws are kind of screwy due to the Parish concept (holdover
from the French days). Their law is based loosely on Spanish Imperial
laws, IIRC. Anyway, it's different from the English Common Law which is
the basis for all of the other states' civil systems. Case law (legal
precedent) isn't factored in. If I had the time, I'd Wiki it and find
out for sure.
At any rate, yes, the requirement for Commercial Driver's Licenses (CDL)
to drives buses can easily be superseded by sheriff's fiat in most
parishes or the Louisiana State Police, which has ultimate authority
over all but Orleans parish. Many of our guys who were dispatched to
NOLA were deputized and allowed to drive just about anything on
four(plus) wheels.
Greater NOLA at this point has at least 500 adaptive buses (at my last
count) staged primarily for evacuation of folks with mobility issues.
Now here's the rub: "Mandatory Evacuation" does NOT mean that the police
or any other agency can forcibly remove you from your home. Folks in
relatively "safe" areas, like Ohio, seem to have this idea that the
Po-Po can bust down your door and drag you to safety. Nope--doesn't
work that way. What it means is that if you want the assistance of
those agencies to help guarantee your safe passage away from "ground
zero", you need to get the heck out of Dodge pronto! Usually, this
offer will extend up to an hour before hurricane force winds reach the
area. After that, you're on your own. The safety director for
Jefferson Parish (the one that got drowned in 2005) reiterated this
yesterday.
When the mandatory order came through in 2005, it was way to late anyway
to be really effective. Still, many people who could have left did not.
They chose to stay in their homes primarily to defend them against
looting and the "it won't happen to me" syndrome (we all suffer from
that at one time or another, so I do understand a bit). Once the storm
hit, and especially after the levees started to breech, it was simply
too dangerous for rescue teams to move in until things had reached some
level of stasis. Nevertheless, some very heroic acts were performed on
the part of law enforcement, the NG, USCG and the active services. Many
of these very dangerous rescues would never have occurred if folks had
simply heeded the evacuation recommendations leading up to the storm.
Having said that, Law Enforcement within NOLA and the surrounding
parishes unconstitutionally disarmed many of these folks who were in no
danger from the floodwaters, but had stayed in their homes and had armed
themselves for protection against the roving gangs that had returned to
loot these areas. These people had been abandoned by their own police
departments in many cases (I'll not judge the motives of the officers to
leave--they have families too). Without a declaration of Martial Law,
constitutional law cannot be superseded.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out this weekend.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of ken barber
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New Orleans and Gustav
yjry claimed they had no drivers. can't police and firemen drive a bus
in an emergency. it was just a total failire at the local level.
--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Kendall D. Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> From: Kendall D. Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: New Orleans and Gustav
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 7:01 PM
> Kyle, et al,
>
> I filled up today; the unused school busses point out the
> need for
> coordination between all local entities. School districts
> also have one of
> the larger pools of accessible busses in many communities,
> and that could
> save the lives of a lot of people with disabilities.
> We've pushed for
> enhanced coordination between our schools, paratransit
> providers and
> individuals with accessible vehicles in case of the need to
> evacuate a large
> number of people with disabilities. We've even
> discussed using horse
> trailers for short distance evacuations (many are ramped,
> or could be easily
> in an emergency). I'd a lot rather share a ride with
> horse manure than
> drown or die from fire or whatever.
>
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Cleveland, Kyle E. <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Ken, that's absolutely true. I have first-hand
> knowledge and experience
> > with recovery operations post-Katrina and the blame
> lies completely at the
> > mayor's feet. It's how our National Response
> Plan (NRP) works. State
> > resources don't get deployed until local resources
> are exhausted. Federal
> > resources don't get deployed until the State's
> resources are used up.
> > That's just the way it is. All of the buzz about
> the lack of rapid Federal
> > response is a bunch of hooey. Resources were staged
> and ready to go, but
> > local and state officials refused to "trip the
> switch" until it was too
> > late.
> >
> > ...and they re-elected him!
> >
> > It will be interesting to see how Gustav is dealt with
> pre-emptively by
> > local officials this time around. We've already
> received a "Warning Order",
> > just in case.
> >
> > A bit of advice to those of us on the list who drive:
> Fill your tanks on
> > Friday because there's sure to be a spike in
> prices come the weekend.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List on behalf of ken barber
> > Sent: Wed 8/27/2008 3:30 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: New Orleans and Gustav
> >
> >
> >
> > i remember seeing pictures of thousands of school
> busses sitting in flooded
> > water down there. they really could have used those.
> can we say "thank you
> > mayor?"
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Anthony Arnold
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Anthony Arnold
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: New Orleans and Gustav
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 3:26 PM
> > > That's easy for those of us with cars to say,
> I did that
> > > when we had the
> > > flood in 1997 but I have a van with a lift.
> However I
> > > remember my brother
> > > saying why couldn't they have had buses go
> down in
> > > ' 05 to help people get
> > > out, that's what we did in 1997 and we
> didn't even
> > > have 1 death, but we only
> > > had about 5,000 at max without vehicles.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony Arnold
> > > Remote Troubleshooter for PRC
> > > 1-800-262-1984 ext. 494
> > > www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > Proud Member of Speak Share
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > ken barber
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:49 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: New Orleans and Gustav
> > >
> > > i just read an article that new orleans was
> > > "considering" evactuation ahead
> > > of Gustav.
> > >
> > > after Katrina they are only considering? if it
> got close,
> > > i'd be out of
> > > there.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Kendall
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
>
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