Mr. Sanneh,

 To me you seem to be confused about issues you are trying to deal with and
are doing nothing other than regurgitating BBC and ITN 'news' stuff. What
rambling on about has little connection with the contents of piece you are
responding to.

Besides, if you think incoherent rambling on the Internet is what will
remove Jammeh he will be there for a long time to come.

Kabir.

On 9/24/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Kabirr,
> > Do the policy of land reform help the average man in the street? If they
> > take land from the white farms whom do they give it? Is it  progressive
> farmer who
> > is MDC supporter or useless farmer who ZANUPF?To Focus your utopian Pan
> African
> > liberation on Zimbabwe for me is so outagerouswhen your country is
> facing a similar situation like Zimbabwe. It is economic policy is
> neaoliberal which I hope youdo not
> > subscribe to.Thanks alway do not proof read and will do on this matter
> for the interest of the debate. Have a good day!
> >
>
>
> Kabir Njaay <[log in to unmask]> wrote:  Mr Sanneh,
>
> Please proof read before you send. I don't have a clue what you are
> talking
> about.
>
> Kabir.
>
>
> On 9/24/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
> >
> > Kabirr,
> > Do the policy of land reform help the average man in the street? If they
> > take land from the white farms whom do they give it to progressive farm
> who
> > is MDC supporter useless farmer ZANUPF. Focing your utopian Pan African
> > liberation on Zimbabwe for me is so outagerous. Why are you not
> dialecting
> > on your backyield.Gambia which you are born is having a similar
> situation
> > like Zimbbwe. It is economic policy is neaoliberal which I hope youdo
> not
> > subscribe to.
> >
> > Kabir Njaay wrote:
> > Mr Sanneh,
> >
> > I guess you are free to go and remove Mugabe at your convenience since
> you
> > are so passionate about it!
> >
> > I don't know where you got your Black against White from but what
> > progressive Africans have been saying all along it that the conflict is
> > about the Land Reform. It is Britain and Tony Blair and now Gordon Brown
> > that made it a Black against White issue when they mobilised their White
> > Breathen all over the world to strangulate Zimbabwe.
> >
> > Kabir.
> >
> >
> > On 9/24/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
> > >
> > > Kabir
> > > Thanks for the forward. The situation in Zimbabwe is also view by
> > > so-called African liberationist as Black against white or western
> > > imperlialism. Damn it, I do not subscribe that sensational views any
> > more.
> > > Mugage should go period and so is Africa do away with all forms of
> > > dictatorship. It is a fact that western interest in Zimbabwe is narrow
> > their
> > > commitment other countries facing a similar problem like Zimbabwe.
> What
> > is
> > > that problem corrupt, human rights violation, state criminalisation,
> > lack of
> > > rule of law and democracy, deapair and hopelessness. The problem in
> > Zimbabwe
> > > is far from racism. With human suffering in the name of liberation in
> > that
> > > country is the classical case of intellectual dishonest one cannot
> > imagine.
> > >
> > > Kabir Njaay wrote:
> > > Zimbabwe: Outrage Intensifies Over Brown's Threat
> > >
> > > Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2007
> > >
> > > By Bulawayo Bureau
> > >
> > > September 22, 2007
> > >
> > > The Herald
> > >
> > > 'Arm-twisting not way to solve Zim's challenges' CONDEMNATION of
> British
> > > Prime Minister Gordon Brown over his threat to boycott the Euro-Africa
> > > Summit if President Mugabe attends intensified yesterday.
> > >
> > > Amid growing international consensus that the conference must go ahead
> > > even without Britain, the Pan-African Parliament said Mr Brown should
> > desist
> > > from behaving like an overlord.
> > >
> > > In remarks that received worldwide coverage yesterday, Dr Gertrude
> > > Mongella, the Tanzanian president of the Pan-African Parliament, said
> > > "arm-twisting" was not the way to solve Zimbabwe's challenges.
> > >
> > > Her comments reflect the determination of the African Union to go
> ahead
> > as
> > > planned and invite President Mugabe to the Euro-Africa summit in
> Lisbon,
> > > Portugal, in December.
> > >
> > > Dr Mongella, attending a conference with Socialist Members of the
> > European
> > > Parliament in Brussels, has made it clear that African solidarity
> might
> > > undermine Mr Brown's "him-or-me" challenge to the summit.
> > >
> > > "We do know there are some problems (in Zimbabwe), but if somebody
> wants
> > > to arm-twist Zimbabwe, that's not the best way to solve the problems,"
> > she
> > > said.
> > >
> > > "I think this is again another way of manipulating Africa. Zimbabwe is
> a
> > > nation which got independence. I think in the developed countries
> there
> > are
> > > so many countries doing things which not all of us subscribe to - we
> > have
> > > seen the Iraq war, not everyone accepts what is being done in Iraq."
> > >
> > > Dr Mongella urged all African and European leaders to go to the summit
> -
> > > including Mr Brown - to join the talks to "meet, develop a very
> > committed
> > > dialogue to solve problems, rather than threatening each other by
> going
> > or
> > > not going".
> > >
> > > She said dialogue must be pursued to resolve any disputes.
> > >
> > > "I think if we want to move in the right direction, with the African
> way
> > > of doing things, you discuss things under a tree till you agree. So if
> > > somebody does not come under a tree to discuss, that is not the
> African
> > way
> > > of doing things."
> > >
> > > Mr Brown was also condemned by Zimbabwe's Ambassador to the United
> > > Nations, Mr Boniface Chidyausiku, who said the prime minister had no
> > right
> > > to dictate who should be at the summit or not.
> > >
> > > Mr Chidyausiku said President Mugabe had a sovereign right, like all
> > other
> > > African heads of state, to attend the Lisbon summit, adding that
> bigger
> > > issues affecting Africa should be prioritised.
> > >
> > > Mr Chidyausiku's remarks follow almost similar sentiments by
> Portuguese
> > EU
> > > legislator Mr Paolo Casaca and the Southern African Development
> > Community
> > > chairman, President Levy Mwanawasa of Zambia, on Thursday.
> > >
> > > President Mwanawasa even countered Mr Brown with his own threat,
> saying
> > if
> > > President Mugabe is barred from attending the summit, Zambia and
> > probably
> > > other African leaders would not go to Lisbon.
> > >
> > > Mr Louis Michel, the EU Commissioner for Aid and Development,
> signalled
> > Mr
> > > Brown's growing isolation, saying that one person cannot scuttle a key
> > > summit between two continents.
> > >
> > > "We think that a single individual case cannot take as hostage the
> > > relations between two continents," said Mr Michel.
> > >
> > > He added that the European Commission would want the summit to go
> ahead
> > > regardless of Mr Brown's threat.
> > >
> > > Writing in a British newspaper, The Independent, on Thursday, Mr Brown
> > > provoked sharp international criticism when he said he would boycott
> the
> > > Portugal summit - the first since 2000 - if President Mugabe attends.
> > >
> > > Mr Brown, like his predecessor Mr Tony Blair, claimed that the
> > Government
> > > had presided over the prevailing economic challenges, ignoring the
> > impact of
> > > illegal EU and American sanctions.
> > >
> > > He said the EU's five-year visa ban on President Mugabe must be
> enforced
> > > to ensure that he does not travel to Portugal.
> > >
> > > But Mr Michel said the ban does not apply to international meetings.
> > >
> > > "I expect it is possible to have a compromise, but if there is no
> > > compromise, what can you do? The only option I cannot accept is
> > suppressing
> > > the summit," he said.
> > >
> > > Mr Brown, who assumed office in June, is said to base his foreign
> policy
> > > on a series of anti-Zimbabwe reports aired by several British media
> > outlets,
> > > including the BBC and ITV News
> > >
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