Malanding stated..... If my memory serves me right, while other subscribers
have voiced their genuine outrage about Mr. Sanneh's remarks, the
principal (Essau Gambia) has declined to ask for his repremand. That of
course does not mean others who find Mr. Sanneh's remarks offensive
should not voice their position and even ask for his repremand. But in
any case the management cannot rush to carry out the purnishment
without
due process.
Malanding I just want to let you know that I have been in this forum for long now. When it comes to issues I debate with honest opininon without making it a personal attack. I have respect for many and our regular exchange on issues even while we agree or disagree does warrant damage each others character with fictional stories. Many have fall victims to these devil advocates using pseudo in Gambia internet forum. Luntang Jabou et al. Luntang was once falsely label for reporting Gambian immigrants to Swedish Authorities by pseudos. For what because of difference in opininon? My issue with Essau Bakau was freedom newspaper peddling sensational news. If Essau Bakau have no connection with Freedom newspaper why is he fabricating fictional stories from me which is far from reality. It seem you have seen one side of the coins. It is true that I should not use such a distasteful language but your moral adjudication came at a wrong time. I have a respect for you. Having been a
regular visitor to your house and also friend to your wife and Bambalaye since our childhood days in Brikama Primary School. I have also a respect for the quality of both academic and intellectual issues from my fellow citizens. It is what give me the zeal and determination to development my personal skills for a better Gambia. I never hide my name to trade insult to people. I communicate in the debate about issues using my BT Internet account as internet providing server.
Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Sister Soffie,
It is unfortunate that some members cannot allow this "ndongo" thing to
go away. Unfortunately no body can do it for them. As Chilli Davis once
said, "growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional".
As for the current thread, I would suggest that we separate the issue of
the use of profane language and use of socalled psuedo names.
Personally I think we have sufficient record in dealing with people
occasionally throwing tanrums and going the "bad boy way". Infact we can
show that the practice has been significantly down since the memorable
days of Matarr Njie. As for the recent fracas involving Mr. Abdoukarim
Sanneh and Essau Gambia the rules are very clear. First the offended
person should report to management. It is only then can management ask
the acused to apologize within 72 hrs. Failure to comply will result in
the delisting. If my memory serves me right, while other subscribers
have voiced their genuine outrage about Mr. Sanneh's remarks, the
principal (Essau Gambia) has declined to ask for his repremand. That of
course does not mean others who find Mr. Sanneh's remarks offensive
should not voice their position and even ask for his repremand. But in
any case the management cannot rush to carry out the purnishment without
due process.
Brother Amadu Kabir, allow me clarify my point about managment relying
on email address instead of "REAL NAME" as the primary identifier. The
little I know about the list configuration, it is the email address that
is registered and controlled. Once an email is subscribed the owner
cannot change it without management conscent. Neither can subscribers
register new emails without management conscent. Unfortunately that is
not the case with socalled real names. The subsriber can decide to
change his/her real name anytime from their email client. And as far as
I know we have no rule against that. If the membership thinks that
members must not change their "real names" after subscription then let
someone brings it up for debate and let the rest have their say.
Our problem in the past has been people "hijacking" other people's email
account (primarily free mails) and inpersonating them.This I understand
is not very difficult especially for savvy web users. To reduce such
practices we asked freemail account subscribers eg. hotmail, yahoo and
others to find sponsors who we already know. The problem with this
approach is we rely on sponsors being candid as to who they recommend. I
must say the majority of sponsors I worked with behind the scene have
shown great maturity and care in not allowing their good name to be
misused although we still have a few (less than a handful) who have
sponsored accounts that are for flaming and sowing seeds of discord on
the L.
As for making the subscriber list public, I am very reluctant about
that for fear of it being used by politicians in the Gambia to harass
political opponents.
Bytheway, I have pledged not to use the "N-name" again to let the
sleeping Njien Jinni lie although I still stand by my claim that it is
your creation ;-)
Malanding
Ceesay, Soffie wrote:
>Good morning. The rule that every subscribed email address should show the owner's name has been in place for some time now. That there are bogus names/email addresses is an anomaly. Personally, I don't care whether people use bogus names - there are no guarantees that Masaneh Ceesay is the real owner of the email [log in to unmask] However, a Gambia-L "rule" is a "rule" and ought be followed. I am here suggesting that management take this issue up for resolution. Or if it is going to be an anything goes kind of environment, subscribing phantom individuals who are then given cover to throw sand in the food, we should make this clear so that those who would rather not be a part of it can unsubscribe.
>
>I think that our existence, who we are, our value to the community cannot and must not be summed up in those moments when we are goaded into letting loose and go for the jugular with visceral reactions. I am devoutly against insulting people's parents and we all know what results when that happens face to face. Our keyboards allows us to escape the ras-to-ras that would have resulted. So, Kabir, I've lost no respect for Karim either and in this vast (internet), yet small (G-L) space we interact in, I will work to earn your, Karim's, and others' respect.
>
>This is for anyone - Why is it easier to let loose on our mothers and not fathers? What, within, is satisfied when you insult someone's parents and do the insults yield the value sought and what is that value?
>
>
>Soffie
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kabir Njaay
>Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:44 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Being real or Psuedo
>
>"Sister Soffie,
>On the contrary it is [log in to unmask] that owns Kabir Njaay since it is the username that is unique and not the other way round..."
>
>Just how numb in the brain can one be?
>
>So according to your convoluted logic, if you buy a car and register it with registration number: ABCXXXX, it is ABCXXX that owns you, or rather, it's the car that owns you?
>
>In further trying to rationalise the awkward you wrote
>
>"...The emailaccount [log in to unmask] like [log in to unmask] were subscribed with one REAL NAMES after confirmation with members of the management team..."
>
>Logical minds are prone to inquire, just why it is necessary then to confirm the identity of the potential members upon a subscription request? To logical minds it is unnecessary to explain that behind every rule/law there is an intent, but I am not surprised that to you that fact is lost to you.
>
>Why would it be necessary to seek confirmation on the identity of someone who sends in a subscription request when they can present a bogus name and operate behind that even before sending in their first posting? Do I need to spell that out too to you? Why the cowardliness?
>
>I for one have not lost one iota of respect for Abdou Karim Sanneh for responding in the manner he did when someone hiding behind a bogus name can accuse him of all sorts of things about his personal life for merely stating an opinion of an online paper that is shared by many, especially when management claims to know the identity of the character behind the bogus name. Neither not when 'management' failed to intervene to warn the funny character to either use his real identity or desist from his shenanigans, nor failed to divulge his real identity when requested by the members of this forum. I have not read one single objection to that request, on the contrary, all that voiced an opinion on the matter reiterated the need to re enforce the rule on anonymity as they can remember them.
>
>I can even recall that during my early days on this forum, Momodou Camara used to send a list of all subscribers with both names and email addresses even though there was no rule on anonymity then.
>
>Going on to demonstrate your cluelessness you stated:
>
>"...My take is that it is subscribers problem if they chose to change those REAL NAMES, and as far as I know there is nothing in our rules against that. If anything the List is based on the believe that subscribers will behave with maturity and descency but I would welcome any dicussion to address that loophole.."
>
>Where is the spirit of the rule on anonymity then? Lost in your convoluted intepretaion and reasoning? This to me is a further demonstration of the failure in everything Africans pertake in. You do not feel obligated to the membersship of this list but will come up with explanation that will make even a corpse frown at its illogicality.
>"..Brother Kabir, njaajaan is your own creation not mine. And please find another way of addressing your beef with me. I don't know you but I believe you can do better than singing "hyms"..."
>
>Hear how stupid you sound after beating about the bush with you convoluted logic to finally arrive at the purpose of your real intention. How is njaajaan my own making? Don't you know what my name is, shown in the display field of all my mails and signed at the bottom?
>
>Why are you not for example referring to Jabou Joh as Gunjur, or all others by the user names on their email addresses? You can continue to play stupid, but just address me by that just one more time, I can't wait!
>
>What beef could I possibly have with you? After I warned you to address me my my name or desist from addressing me at all you come here trying to muddy the waters with the above nonsense? Hear how you come across? As a clueless hypocrite when you say "...If anything the List is based on the believe that subscribers will behave with maturity and descency..."
>
>Where is your maturity when I have to remind and warn you that you are provoking me? And the hypocritical moral adjudicators would jump up and try to outdo each other when I respond in a manner which I deem as befitting your immaturity and childish pranks.
>
>That you'd misrepresent my warning as singing hymns instead of owning up to your provocation tell volumes. But try me, I'm all game, your idiocy will be reciprocated in an exponential manner.
>
>What you can do is grow up and start being honest for once and implement the rules. Any "debate" that you are inviting here is a nonstarter. The rules are already there, the purpose of being in that group is not to play dumb.
>Address the issue the members of this list are interested in and stop trying to personalise it.
>
>Kabir.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 6/2/07, Malanding Jaiteh wrote:
>
>
>
>>Sister Soffie,
>>On the contrary it is [log in to unmask] that owns Kabir Njaay since
>>it is the username that is unique and not the other way round. The
>>email account [log in to unmask] like [log in to unmask] were
>>subscribed with one REAL NAMES after confirmation with members of the
>>management team. My take is that it is subscribers problem if they
>>chose to change those REAL NAMES, and as far as I know there is
>>nothing in our rules against that. If anything the List is based on
>>the believe that subscribers will behave with maturity and descency
>>but I would welcome any dicussion to address that loophole..
>>
>>Brother Kabir, njaajaan is your own creation not mine. And please
>>find another way of addressing your beef with me. I don't know you but
>>I believe you can do better than singing "hyms".
>>
>>
>>Malanding
>>
>>. according to our own Gambian trust and pure common sense keep track
>>of email addresses and not Ceesay, Soffie wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Kabir,
>>>
>>>No, to your last paragraph. Free email address subscriptions should
>>>have
>>>
>>>
>>sponsors from among the subscribed and they are required to provide
>>the first and last names of the email address owners.
>>
>>
>>>The point I was making is that your email address has an identified
>>>
>>>
>>owner, Kabir Njaay owns [log in to unmask] and this is not, which
>>should be, the case with Essau Gambia.
>>
>>
>>>Soffie
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list [mailto:
>>>
>>>
>>[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kabir Njaay
>>
>>
>>>Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:19 PM
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: Being real or Psuedo
>>>
>>>Soffie,
>>>
>>>I believe my subscription and that of "Esseu Gambia" are different.
>>>When
>>>
>>>
>>I was subscribed it was by a List Manager who knows me personally and
>>aslo knew that I 'own' that particular email address I asked to be
>>subscribed with bacuse we had exchanged privately many times with that same address.
>>
>>
>>>The List Manager in question is Sidibeh.
>>>
>>>The reason I asked for clarification on this particular issue was to
>>>
>>>
>>ascertain if hence anyone can be subscribed with any address anytime
>>and from your response I glean that is the case and sponsorship is
>>nolonger required?
>>
>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Kabir.
>>>
>>>On 6/1/07, Ceesay, Soffie wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Kabir,
>>>>
>>>>You got it. When you were subscribed, even though your email
>>>>address did not contain your name, you were identified as the owner
>>>>of that email address and so it should be with Essau Gambia's
>>>>subscription and everyone elses.
>>>>
>>>>As for accountability, I think the person flaunting the "rules" that
>>>>guide discussions on the L be held accountable, and not the person
>>>>who sponsored their subscription.
>>>>
>>>>Soffie
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list [mailto:
>>>>[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kabir Njaay
>>>>Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:02 PM
>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>Subject: Re: Being real or Psuedo
>>>>
>>>>Soffie,
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the clarifucation but I thought the whole purpose of the
>>>>exercise of not allowing 'free email addresses' to be subscribed
>>>>without a sponsor was to discourage pseudo/anonymous subscriptions;
>>>>and where 'free email addresses' are subscribed the sponsor would be
>>>>held accountable because he/she is supposed to know the identity of
>>>>
>>>>
>>sponsored?
>>
>>
>>>>If the above is right and I aslo assume this "Essau Gambia" was
>>>>subscribed not so long ago, then management must have the name of
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>sponsor stored?
>>
>>
>>>>Please rectify me if I am wrong but the above is my recollection
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>from that debate about anonymity on the list and that those 'rules'
>>>
>>>
>>>>were even shared here.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Kabir.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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