While JAWS may have gotten more difficult to use, Window-Eyes too I
add, this is because the web and other applications have gotten
increasingly more sophisticated. We now have headings, forms, flash,
PDF, tables, and many things that we didn't have 10 years ago, so of
course it makes everything more complicated.
Dave
I would also say that the current version of Apple's access is more
complicated then early versions of outSpoken for the Mac.
Dave
At 08:05 PM 12/4/2008, Flor Lynch wrote:
>David,
>
>I presume you don't mean that JFW1.0 was the easiest version of JAWS to use,
>as your message might be taken to have implied. At what point, in the
>development of JAWS (in the Windows cycle), has it become harder to use.
>One of my earlier favourite versions of JAWS there was 3.31, when Internet
>Explorer suddenly got a whole lot easier to use. I can see where you are
>with Apple and iTunes having being accessible quite a while before we got
>there in windows.
>
>----- Original Message -----
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>
>I've been using assistive technology products for 15 years and I have still
>not found JAWS any easier to use infact, it's gotten harder.
>
>ITunes was not accessible in windows because Msaa does not play nice with
>cross platform apps. We had accessibility for the most part in ITunes on
>the mac for quite a while before 8.0 came out although things did improve
>with 8.0 on the Mac side as well.
>
>----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Mike Pietruk" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:25 PM
>Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] time for a rant, is anyone with me here?
>
>
>There is also another issue to be considered in this usability issue.
>Regardless of who develops the screen reader capability, some programs
>just won't work all that well unless the program developers make certain
>modifications.
>
>Two classic examples of popular packages come to mind. Apple's iTunes,
>until the release of version 8, was only minimally usable. The problem
>was that Apple was unresponsive to the peculiarities of screen readers;
>and screen developers failed to make much headway. Eventually they did,
>and the result with the collaboration of FReedom Scientific, GwMicro and
>Apple has Itunes well on the way to being a very screen reader product.
>
>Another popular package is Norton Internet Security. The problems screen
>reader users have had is the lack of seeing eye to eye between Symantec
>and the screen reader developers. The best version currently usable is
>the 2006 Suite.
>Though I had used both 2008 and 2009, my preferred version is 2006.
>
>Does anyone really think that MSFT can develop the skill and sensitivities
>a company whose main business is blind users has in working problems out
>with 3rd parties?
>
>My wife is an embroider and quilter. It's an expensive hobby not only due
>to the cost of the machines but also the software. In fact, the prices
>for several of the packages she uses is very much in line with what is
>charged for JFW and WE.
>Consider the staffing these companies must maintain, the specialized
>skills their employees must have, the limited market, the amount of
>handholding demanded by users, the continual catching up they must do --
>and I think I can understand why JFW and WE are priced as they are. Sure,
>I'd like a lower price; but that would be unrealistic given what these
>programs are.
>
>And the more one uses JFW or WE, the more one discovers what can be done
>with the software to make pc use easier and smoother.
>
>
>
>
>
>It is a glorious thing to know that your Father God makes no mistakes in
>directing
>or permitting that which crosses the path of your life. It is our glory to
>trust
>Him, no matter what.
>Joni Erickson Tada
>
>
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