Hi.
What are all those strange characters starting with =?
They seem to clutter up posts with mime attached html.
Hi.
Please forgive if you really want to attach html.
Do you know that you are posting in mime attached duplicate html?
Can you please explain why the mime attached html?
If so, may I please ask which mail program is creating these html attachments,
under which OS, and why?
I am absolutely certain that it is not my mail program, or anything on my end,
though your mail program may hide them from you.
This is why others may not have pointed out the mime attached html problem.
Your mime attached html post, which I have appended,
is exactly what I received.
Are you using html to display anything other than plain text?
Unless you really are using the html features,
the defaults should be set to both post and answer in plain text,
or uuencode, if plain text is not an option.
your answer mode should also be set to
answer in plain text, or answer in uuencode,
not to answer in kind.
I am most concerned about viruses in unintended attachments.
If you must quote me, please put your comments first.
I have already listened to mine.
I read email with speech.
So it is not possible to scroll past the quotes without listening to them again,
to quickly get to the new information.
The mime attached html is far from speech friendly!
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Thanks much again as always.
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Yeah, must look into it a bit more. There are DBT users who regret not =
having the flexibility that megaDots gives or gave them. (I made a =
mistake in my previous message here, misrecognising the list I was =
writing to!) Now, the next challenge for all this braille software and =
the embossers is interfacing with Windows Vista. =20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Sun Sounds of Arizona=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] FW: [VICUG-L] braille translation software
Currently, I am using JAWS 7.1, however, when I tested DBT 10.x I was =
using
JAWS 6. I had tried to make some home grown scripts myself, but gave =
up as
I didn't have the time, and the latest Megadots came out in the =
meantime
which worked beautifully. I'm sure Duxbury is fine, I hear a lot of =
good
things about it, I just didn't find it as easy to use. Perhaps =
because I am
a long time Megadots user, and so am more used to its quirks. =
Megadots must
have something going for it though as they haven't just orphaned it.
Bill
=20
-----Original Message-----
>From: Visually Impaired Computer Users' Group List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 5:55 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] FW: [VICUG-L] braille translation software
Bill, Which version of JAWS and which version of Duxbury are you =
using? In
the latest version (10.6) of Duxbury Braille Translator (DBT), and the
latest JAWS (JAWS8, and JAWS7 as well), you can read the braille file =
in DBT
line by line [translated line], with JAWS speech. This is due to the
inclusion of JAWS scripts now in Duxbury and keystrokes included. I =
haven't
done much myself by way of translating Word documents into Duxbury; =
but I've
heard it is now pretty good, automatic, and vertually flawless. Our
esteemed list owner, who has spoken earlier on this, has played a =
pivotal
role in developing the Word and DBT interface to its present and =
pleasant
concord! (I know little about MegaDots, it not being much known of in =
my
part of the world.) =20
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Sun Sounds of Arizona <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:34 AM
Subject: [VICUG-L] FW: [VICUG-L] braille translation software
-----Original Message-----
>From: Sun Sounds of Arizona
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:17 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: [VICUG-L] braille translation software
Harry,
I have used both Duxbury and Megadots, and they are both capable.
Personally though, I really like the newest version of Megadots the
best.
It is still technically a DOS based application, but they have made
it
completely compatible with Windows XP in the latest version, and it
plays
well with JAWS, my screen reader. =20
I like Megadots for the following reasons:
1. It is a true word processor allowing editing of print or Braille
within
the document in real time.
2. It can read a Braille document in standard English which makes
editing
much faster and easier. Duxbury, always wants to read Braille in
Braille
code which can get tedious if you are doing a lot of editing.
3. It is totally menu driven. Though the menus are of the old dos
style,
they are easy to use. If you have used Megadots in the past, the
menus are
identical, and so no problem.
4. Though I suspect that sighted users might find Duxbury easier, I
think
blind users will find Megadots easier in a head to head test. I
suspect
that this is because the original developer of Megadots was a team
of all
blind people.
Anyway, I have been a devoted Megadots user ever since it originally
replaced HotDots about ten years ago. I think it is really
powerful, and
once you are used to it, you can produce great Braille.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:07 PM
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Subject: [VICUG-L] braille translation software
Hi all,
Well folks, I'm thinking about buying braille translation software.
I need to hear from those of you who use it.
I need to know what you use, and why you like it.
I also need to know where I can find a list of all Duxbury
distributors. I
looked on the Duxbury web site, and no such list.
Also, it would be nice to have someone do an audio demo on Main
menu, or, on
blindcooltech.com, of how to braille print a document that was typed
in
microsoft word.
Duxbury has no trainer to tutor folks on their software.
I am thinking about buying either Duxbury, or Megadots.
The Duxbury folks were not much help.
So, drop me an email and let's talk about this.
take care,
Harry
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Yeah, must look into it a bit more. There =
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them. (I made a mistake in my previous message here, =
misrecognising the=20
list I was writing to!) Now, the next challenge for all this=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [VICUG-L] FW: =
[VICUG-L]=20
braille translation software</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Currently, I am using JAWS 7.1, however, when I tested =
DBT 10.x=20
I was using<BR>JAWS 6. I had tried to make some home grown =
scripts=20
myself, but gave up as<BR>I didn't have the time, and the latest =
Megadots came=20
out in the meantime<BR>which worked beautifully. I'm sure =
Duxbury is=20
fine, I hear a lot of good<BR>things about it, I just didn't find it =
as easy=20
to use. Perhaps because I am<BR>a long time Megadots user, and =
so am=20
more used to its quirks. Megadots must<BR>have something going =
for it=20
though as they haven't just orphaned=20
it.<BR><BR>Bill<BR> <BR><BR>-----Original =
Message-----<BR>>From:=20
Visually Impaired Computer Users' Group=20
List<BR>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Flor =
Lynch<BR>Sent:=20
Thursday, February 22, 2007 5:55 PM<BR>To: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>=
<BR>Subject:=20
Re: [VICUG-L] FW: [VICUG-L] braille translation software<BR><BR>Bill, =
Which=20
version of JAWS and which version of Duxbury are you using? =
In<BR>the=20
latest version (10.6) of Duxbury Braille Translator (DBT), and =
the<BR>latest=20
JAWS (JAWS8, and JAWS7 as well), you can read the braille file in =
DBT<BR>line=20
by line [translated line], with JAWS speech. This is due =
to=20
the<BR>inclusion of JAWS scripts now in Duxbury and keystrokes =
included. =20
I haven't<BR>done much myself by way of translating Word documents =
into=20
Duxbury; but I've<BR>heard it is now pretty good, automatic, and =
vertually=20
flawless. Our<BR>esteemed list owner, who has spoken earlier on =
this,=20
has played a pivotal<BR>role in developing the Word and DBT interface =
to its=20
present and pleasant<BR>concord! (I know little about MegaDots, =
it not=20
being much known of in my<BR>part of the world.) =20
<BR> <BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: Sun Sounds of =
Arizona=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:bill.pasco@RIOMAIL=
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<A =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>=
=20
<BR>Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:34 AM<BR>Subject: [VICUG-L] FW: =
[VICUG-L] braille translation software<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR>>From: Sun Sounds of=20
Arizona<BR>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <BR>Sent: =
Thursday,=20
February 22, 2007 12:17 PM<BR>To: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A><BR>Subj=
ect:=20
RE: [VICUG-L] braille translation software<BR><BR>Harry,<BR><BR>I have =
used=20
both Duxbury and Megadots, and they are both capable.<BR>Personally =
though, I=20
really like the newest version of Megadots the<BR>best.<BR>It is still =
technically a DOS based application, but they have =
made<BR>it<BR>completely=20
compatible with Windows XP in the latest version, and =
it<BR>plays<BR>well with=20
JAWS, my screen reader. <BR><BR>I like Megadots for the =
following=20
reasons:<BR><BR>1. It is a true word processor allowing editing =
of print=20
or Braille<BR>within<BR>the document in real time.<BR><BR>2. It =
can read=20
a Braille document in standard English which makes<BR>editing<BR>much =
faster=20
and easier. Duxbury, always wants to read Braille =
in<BR>Braille<BR>code=20
which can get tedious if you are doing a lot of =
editing.<BR><BR>3. It is=20
totally menu driven. Though the menus are of the old=20
dos<BR>style,<BR>they are easy to use. If you have used Megadots =
in the=20
past, the<BR>menus are<BR>identical, and so no =
problem.<BR><BR>4. Though=20
I suspect that sighted users might find Duxbury easier, =
I<BR>think<BR>blind=20
users will find Megadots easier in a head to head test. =20
I<BR>suspect<BR>that this is because the original developer of =
Megadots was a=20
team<BR>of all<BR>blind people.<BR><BR>Anyway, I have been a devoted =
Megadots=20
user ever since it originally<BR>replaced HotDots about ten years =
ago. I=20
think it is really<BR>powerful, and<BR>once you are used to it, you =
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produce great Braille.<BR><BR>Bill<BR><BR><BR>-----Original=20
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[VICUG-L] braille translation software<BR><BR>Hi all,<BR>Well folks, =
I'm=20
thinking about buying braille translation software.<BR>I need to hear =
from=20
those of you who use it.<BR>I need to know what you use, and why you =
like=20
it.<BR>I also need to know where I can find a list of all=20
Duxbury<BR>distributors. I<BR>looked on the Duxbury web site, =
and no=20
such list.<BR>Also, it would be nice to have someone do an audio demo =
on=20
Main<BR>menu, or, on<BR>blindcooltech.com, of how to braille print a =
document=20
that was typed<BR>in<BR>microsoft word.<BR>Duxbury has no trainer to =
tutor=20
folks on their software.<BR>I am thinking about buying either Duxbury, =
or=20
Megadots.<BR>The Duxbury folks were not much help.<BR>So, drop me an =
email and=20
let's talk about this.<BR>take =
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