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"Cleveland, Kyle E." <[log in to unmask]>
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I agree, darnit! We lost the "War on Drugs", too, and look where that
got us.  Legalize it all, price goes down, fewer people get shot.
You'll still have the same number of junkies to deal with, but a junkie
with access to cheap dope is a lot safer than a junkie with no dope at
all.  

Johnson's "War on Poverty" failed because there's no pride in a handout.
Roosevelt at least put idle hands to work--and believe me, people wanted
to work.  I think people would want to work now...if they had the
opportunity.  Maybe Obama's on to something with his Civilian Defense
Force:

This is from "Defense News" published July 7th--I got it here on my
desk:

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the
national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a
civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as
strong, just as well-funded," he said.
 
"I believe we can reconfigure our civilian national-security force. We
still have a national security apparatus on the civilian side, in the
way the State Department is structured and USAID, that harkens back to
the Cold War," Obama said. 
 
"We need to be able to deploy teams that combine agricultural
specialists and engineers and linguists and cultural specialists who are
prepared to go into some of the most dangerous areas alongside our
military," he said.

He's talking about Compulsory National Service for post-high school kids
to do "Peace Corps" work here at home.  I can get behind that!  However,
I would like to know what he means by a "civilian national security
force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded", as
our military.  That's troubling and gives me the "brown-shirt" willies.
I hope he elaborates on that one.

Kyle

-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of ken barber
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:56 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Okay, now that the election is over...

but if you mean like "the great society" or the "war on poverty" the
answer would be "no" 
by the way we have lost the war on poverty big time. poverety has won.
what was the exit stategy, we need to get out. we have spent over 7
trillion on it and we still have the poor. 


--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Cleveland, Kyle E.
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Cleveland, Kyle E. <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Okay, now that the election is over...
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 1:32 PM
> Oh, I don't know...Reagan's ending of the Cold War
> comes to mind.  Bush
> Sr.'s signing ADA legislation into law worked for me. 
> Eisenhower's
> Interstate Road System seemed like a good idea.  Nixon
> opened China's
> economy to the west (not sure how positive that is in
> retrospect, but we
> got a few less nukes pointed at us out of the deal).
> 
> Who knows, maybe Obama will be another FDR.  Another WPA
> could rebuild
> our crumbling 60+ year-old infrastructure.
> 
> Economically, one of the issues that we face that no one
> wants to admit
> is that we ARE at war.  And as such, our economy needs to
> be placed onto
> a wartime footing.  The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan sound
> expensive--and they are.  But they're actually being
> fought on the
> cheap.  That's why it's taking us so long to
> achieve our strategic
> goals.  Tactically, we're fine.  Strategically,
> we're not; and I place
> the blame for that solely at the feet of Don Rumsfeld. 
> Want someone to
> blame for the morass in the sandbox?  He's your man.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of Michael H. Collis
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:40 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Okay, now that the election is over...
> 
> I have a question:  Looking back over the history of this
> country, are
> there many positive initiatives started by people we would
> consider to
> be conservative today?
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