At 2:29 PM -0400 7/11/11, John Willis wrote:
>Seems to me you saying the same thing two different ways.
>
>If gods don't exist then you believe that God does not exist. If you do not
>believe in gods then they do not exist.

The difference is between "I believe that gods do not exist" and "I do not know if gods exist"

For the non-thiest, agnostic, or athiest, the following is irrelevant.

>Is not the under lying question that even if God/gods exist are they by
>default in charge.
>
>But you could, not believe in or recognize his authority and not dispute His
>existence.

Might if be time to kill the whole religious discussion and get back things paleo ?
(or at least move it off list for those that really must beat it to death :-)

For those who are interested, there is excellent training in critical thinking here:

http://wiki.lesswrong.com/

and an entertaining look at what happens when you cross critical thinking with Harry Potter can be found here:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5782108/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_Methods_of_Rationality

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