I just jump on 75 meters if I want to talk, always someone there in the 
night. Depending on where you look, there have been 10 meter groups around 
here on most of the night too though I don't know if they are still or not, 
I'd somehow doubt it. My dog complains if I keep him up too late talking on 
the radio. lol  he sleeps in here.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Kwan" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Echolink VS real radio


> I'm not even talking now about echo link verses radio but during the wee
> hours of the morning when I can't sleep and noone is on the radio at all, 
> I
> can find someone to talk to. It's too easy to look to see who's on line 
> and
> what repeaters are active. Yeah I know I can do other internet chat things
> and texting and such, but sometimes I just want to talk to another ham
> friend. I'm guarantied that on echo link. Yes I know ham people use other
> chat clients but I'm just referring to echo link right now.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Dresser" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:19 PM
> Subject: Echolink VS real radio
>
>
> John,
>
> I know what you're saying, and I would agree if someone exclusively used
> Echolink and never set up a station of any kind.  However, in my example,
> that isn't the case.  We would like nothing more than to use radio
> exclusively, but it just isn't possible.  You and I happen to be lucky
> enough to have stations right now, but I've been in situations where it 
> just
> wasn't possible, and can certainly understand and appreciate that others 
> may
> be in similar circumstances.  I've heard similar arguments regarding the 
> use
> of repeaters, but I notice that many of those who spoke against their use
> were doing so on a repeater.  It makes me wonder how many of them were a
> little insecure about their own operating skills, or maybe they just liked
> beating up on other hams.  In my opinion, Echolink is just another aspect 
> of
> the hobby, which I can use (or not) as I see fit.
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:59
> Subject: Re: Introduction
>
>
>> How can it be radio when 99% of the contact isn't over radio? computer is
>> not radio, looking at the so-called internet radio stations_ and what not
>> I
>> realize no one knows the difference these days but the fact is, that's 
>> ham
>> computer, not ham radio. Like I tell 1 of the local clubs people who are
>> too
>> lazy to setup an HF station or upgrade their licenses doesn't make
>> echolink
>> radio, it makes it ham radio's version of welfare. There's always a way 
>> to
>> setup a station, it may have to be hidden with indoor antennas or what
>> ever,
>> but there is always a way and if there isn't, and the person wants to get
>> on
>> ham radio, it's time to find another alternative weather it be setup your
>> HF
>> station somewhere else and remotely control it with the computer, where
>> the
>> radio still does most of the work and you have full control of it, move,
>> setup a mobile station,what ever. I know people who've done all of those
>> things to get around it with success.
>> I dunno, I guess a lot of people look at it different than I do, but a 
>> lot
>> see it my way too and that's what I like to see. In fact looking at a
>> survey
>> on the arrl site a couple months ago, the majority look at it like I do.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve Dresser" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: Introduction
>>
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> I think it's a bit of an over-reaction to say that Echo Link is "anti
>>> radio."  On most Sunday mornings, a group of us in the Boston area have 
>>> a
>>> schedule with a friend of ours in New York city.  We use a local
>>> repeater,
>>> but our friend connects to the repeater through Echo Link.  Since he
>>> doesn't
>>> have room for an HF station in his apartment, and several others in the
>>> group are in similar situations, I think it's perfectly reasonable for 
>>> us
>>> to
>>> use Echo Link to maintain our schedule.  The only alternative is using
>>> the
>>> telephone, which would mean that none of us used our radios.  To me,
>>> that's
>>> a lot more anti radio than using Echo Link.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>