Ma Yero, how are you? Hope well.
I have read your notes below "In defense of Gainako" and I know you have
taken some time putting it together. It presumes Gainako, "a newspaper" is
aversed. And that Haruna is a culprit. It also ignores Gainako's aversion of
other. In the main, it is the most incoherent and disingenuous rambling I have
ever read. I will share with you how I came to that conclusion.
[In a message dated 8/23/2008 4:34:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Hi Bro Haruna,
In Defesne of Gainako]
Ma Yero, I think this recognises that Gainako as a newspaper bears liability
for the actions of its proprietors chief among whom are Demba and Yero.
[After you and Demba came this far, I will humbly join in to give full
assurance of this matter resting now.] Yero.
You have my full assurance that I did not consider you to have been engaged
in the matter to begin with. I understood your reaction to be one of a
partisan defender as you shared above. You did not understand the matter proper much
less be significantly engaged in it. Your interest lied in Haruna's possible
tribal bigotry and Haruna's "personal life" of which disjointed pieces were
shared with you. In time and when necessary, I will educate you more on
Haruna's personal life since there is so much interest in it.
[From my part, I apologize for my equating harsh comments emanating from
impulses that any one else would have felt, especially with your directive
insults at Gainako and with all the name-calling you attached to it.] Yero.
You are too funny Yero. How far have I come with Demba to warrant your
apology for "equating harsh comments" with my person? I think the more significant
exercise will have been to determine if the harsh comments were TRUE. That
is what our fellow community members would learn from perhaps to develop
themselves. You must understand that even though the truth hurts, not all harsh
comments may be true. And you are well within reason or your privilege to issue
harsh comments to anyone at anytime. For example; Although accusing someone
of being a "tribalist bigot" sounds harsh, if it is true, our fellow
community members ought to be concerned about that and either render the bigot benign
or extricate him/her from their more honourable company. Likewise, and to a
lesser significant degree, my promising disparate folk residence at my ranch
that I do not even have, my cutting-off ties with my parents and family
members, my cutting off "God", my promises of an Armitage Fund, cows for Basse
folk (no matter the number), etcetera to determine hypocrisy on my part, if
true, portend an onerous and an unreliable partner in "your struggle" whatever
that is.
[The apology is to all readers, you included, because everyone here deserve
something better.] Yero.
Yero, I am touched that you issue an apology to me because you think I
deserve better. I cannot speak for all other readers. Just Haruna. To the extent
my perspective mirrors that of other readers, Fehr Dinkum. What I do not
understand is whether you apologise for embarassing me or for hurling gratuitous
insults at my person and family? And whether the apology is because you have
revealed some uncomfortable truths about Haruna that may anger me? As a member
of a newspaper staff and proprietorship as you shared with us that you are a
'consortium of Gainako', you risk opening Gainako up to other liabilities of
tort, libel, and slander. That is what I will be more careful of if I were
you than offending Haruna or other.
[I encourage you to keep your hand and effort ever more active.] Yero.
Not to worry Yero. The course of my life is very clear to me and is
unrelated to Yero's fancy.
[That part is commendable.] Yero.
Is it?
[From the get-go, after permission from Fatou, I sent you a private mail
giving you her phone number, so you can laise directly with her.] Yero.
I thank you for sending me Fatou's number so I may liaise with her.
[That was after my observation of your continuos threading about her.] Yero.
I am glad you observed my 'continuous threading about Fatou at the time].
[In the past, I have taken the extra step to call you on your phone to
register my disapproval of your profane tone.] Yero.
Yero, this sounds nice but I'm afraid it is not true.
1. You called me incessantly to assure me of things you were doing regarding
"United Gambians" so you may take advantage of my pledge.
2. Those were not 2-way calls because in about five of them, you expressed
frustration that you are not able to reach me and that I do not return your
calls.
3. I stopped taking your calls when I recognised disingenuity in your
demarche.
[I could have done the same because I know your knuckle-head will not have a
choice but to listen.] Yero.
I suppose this time and a couple of months ago were the appropriate times
for your profanities.
[Despite Demba being an editor of Gainako, the latest press release is
carried by all online media outlets.]
I am aware of that. Yero, I don't know if you are stupid or you are
pretending to be so. Please do me a favour and read the culprit mail from Demba and
you come here and share with us whether you saw Demba FORWARDING a press
release or not. It is evident that you defaultively clueless about the extant
matter between Demba (and by extension Gainako) and myself.
[and Poor Demba was not acting as an editor this time around but as an
associate of the GPU-USA.] Yero.
Poor Demba my beautiful black arse. I shudder at the prospect of Demba
acting as an editor when this to you was general par for the course. FYI, in that
culprit mail, Demba was not acting as an "associate of GPU-USA". Look at it
again. I also know that Galleh had shared GPU-USA's website with us and I had
visited the site on various occasions. Besides, remember you shared with us
that the GPU-USA press release was shared with all newspapers.
[The debate was placed before the GPU mailing list to which most online
papers are subcribed. The green light was okayed by the GPU's Secretary General,
Baba Galleh Jallow. In fact the piece was written way before the Buba Jawo
verdict, only to be modified after the verdict.] Yero.
Yero, why would you find it necessary to share the deliberations of the
GPU-USA here with us. Even if you are part of the executive of GPU-USA (which I
seriously doubt), you may not be the proper person to inform the public about
her deliberations. And what does the activities of GPU-USA have to do with
Demba and Gainako's aversion of Haruna????? Invoking Galleh's name here will
not get you anywhere with me.
[If you had/still have any redflags to raise about that, I again join you in
good spirit to challenge the GPU-USA's entire executive while constructively
critisizing them for the part you believed they erred.] Yero.
Oh brother. I think you will be shocked Yero to learn that I was not aware
of the deliberations of GPU-USA or the press-release prior to its publication.
How then can I have red-flags or green-flags about that??? Jesus friggin
Christ. Besides, I think you will agree with me that if I have flags about any
Press-Release from anyone or organisation, it will be highly presumptuous of
me to raise those flags before or after publication of such Releases. For what
its worth, I want to share with you that the Press-Release of the GPU-USA
regarding Fatou was well written and appropriate. It registers the GPU-USA's
utter disdain for magistrate Jawo's graft and Yahya's complicity in't. And my
own comments are in line with those sentiments. So I hope you will cease this
futile effort to draw a phantom wedge between Haruna and the GPU-USA, no
matter her executive membership. Allah boni.
[If it is Demba you had a problem with, you are also fine to engage him
constructively.] Yero.
Yes it is Demba and by extension Gainako who I had a problem with. And it is
not significant what manner you desire me to engage these entities. The
manner of engagement is the purview of the aversed in this case.
[The same applies to Gainako as well, but you cannot use insults and
name-calling and then think people will swallow it while biting their throats
without you getting a share of that cake.] Yero.
I know because your understanding is limited, you will live to hear insults
and name-calling until you are trained on sobriety and due-diligence. It will
be up to you how you swallow them or how you bite your throat at their
audience.
[These apologies we are making now can follow after a bitter tussle, after
all has been placed in their proper places. We will debate you right here, and
you will never see any headline about you on Gainako regarding the matter,
because we make no difference with here and there.] Yero.
I don't know what you're talking about here. Headlines at Gainako are
insignificant to me at this time.
[If you don't insult us, we will never insult you. We don't make any
difference with you and everyone else.] Yero.
That is good. Now act like you know what you're saying.
[Infact, these forums are way older than Gainako. Gainako is a complement
for these forums and its educators.] Yero.
Yero, I want to inform you that Gainako is a private enterprise. It may be
overzealous and presumptuous to regard Gainako as a complement to Ellen. I
think you mean Gainako strives to be a complement to Ellen. The reason I bring
this to your attention is that you are not sure if the subscribers to Ellen
wish to associate themselves with Gainako. I think you are by now certain that
Haruna must not be forcibly associated with Gainako nor is Haruna's
intellectual property to be stolen by Gainako. You must be satisfied with our friends
here to explicitly associate themselves or their thoughts with Gainako. Do
not assume it or expect it. I think you are now beginning to see the light. You
must remember that just because Yero thinks all Gambians must rally around
Gainako for some unidentified struggle, that we should be glad to be
associated with Gainako without our express permission or acquiescence. I know your
imagination runs wild.
[Ditto: See, it is a small world. If information I am getting from Seattle
is to go by, Demba's Madam is a best friend to your blood sister.] Yero.
What does Demba's Madam and or her friendship with my sister in Seattle have
to do with anything? What an idiot?????????
[Probably, that has nothing to do with things here.] Yero.
You are right. It has absolutely nothing to do with Demba and Gainako's
aversion of other. Anywhere.
[Sister F. Dibba is fine and thanks for her intervention in pouring some
sense in your head.] Yero.
What does Sister F. Dibba have to do with intervention or pouring some sense
in my head? I think you meant her interventions with you and pouring some
sense in your head. Can you explain more to us?
[She probably won't remember me from the Gambia, but we were all frequent at
the beach side. And Ebony her!] Yero.
Yero, I hate to break it to you but your relation with YayiNana is
insignificant to me or the current matter of Haruna V. Demba bda Gainako.
[As to my relation with Demba, the same as you here and any one else,
because everyone is my brother/sister/uncle/mum, et cetera...but Demba's
association with me in team GON, must not be mistaken for my defense of him and
Gainako.] Yero.
Likewise, your relation with Demba is not as significant as your liability
in Gainako. I didn't know you were defending Demba and Gainako per se. I could
have sworn you were defending your tribe and heritage from a tribal bigot.
Wow!!
[I will defend anyone else including Global Democracy] Yero.
If you mean The Global Democracy Project, I here and now relieve you of the
burden to defend that entity. And please don't take it upon yourself to
attempt to defend The GDP because you think you are doing the right thing. I am
afraid you will defend The GDP without understanding why. So please, attend to
your affairs at Gainako.
[if some one was to come out in a manner unacceptable, hence I am here in
search of the truth.] Yero.
You cannot properly identify what is acceptable among the human family, so
again, I personally relieve you of any burden to defend The GDP. As far as your
search for the truth is concerned, I would just offer this tidbit of advice;
We get the capacity to search for anything including the truth, from
parental and associative discipline. Otherwise we may not know if we eventually
find the truth.
[If the truth fails to prevail, the same way I voolunteered to be here, it
will be my route home.] Yero.
This is what I mean. You must have the capacity to identify the truth or it
will never prevail for you. You know why you volunteered to be here. So only
you can determine whether you have achieved your goal of being here or whether
you remain or leave. I want to share something with you: Just as Gainako is
a private enterprise, Ellen is also the property of an institution of higher
learning. All the more reason you must display professionalism when you come
here. Remember, even if you think Ellen belongs to Gambians, that doesn't
make it so. If you are really attending school in Minnesota, I am confident your
first class dealt with intellectual property and professional propriety. So
you, Demba, or Gainako, are not at liberty to averse other under the cover of
"Fellow Gambian" or "Executive of GPU-USA" or "Editor of Gainako" or
whatever permutation you fancy.
[As far as I know, if not debates we have together here, you will never see
any of us calling you names.] Yero.
This is not significant Yero. I'd rather be called names by whomever I
infringe upon rather than continue to indiscriminately averse folk due to
ignorance of aversions. You get it???? I'm sure you did not understand what I just
said. Ask Demba to interpret it for you.
[None of those we interact also will give you any thing else. Until now, You
haven't stated what Demba or Gainako did to you.] Yero.
And then you find it necessary to "After you and Demba came this far, I will
humbly join in to give full assurance of this matter resting now"-Yero
[That makes me wonder, if an external force hasn't infiltrated your ears,
then it will be poor Haruna entangled between the devil and the deep red sea.]
Yero.
And you go on to imagine further. It is said ignorance is bliss.
[For the records, Gainako doesn't belong to an individual. It is not run by
an individual either.] Yero.
I suppose I should thank you for sharing this breaking news with us. Again.
[It belongs to you and everyone else.] Yero.
Yero, I know you're being generous to us. However, I do not want to take
ownership of any part of Gainako yet. I will let you know when I wish to take
advantage of that honour. You see Yero, a newspaper is not like candy or a
ranch, or a car, or a cow, or correo. I know it is strange but it is actually
unwise to assign ownership of a newspaper to someone, even as an honour. You see
a newspaper, a real newspaper, is the totality of its publications and
equipment. Therefore, until I tell you I want be associated with Gainako, it will
be dishonest for you to associate me with it. You get it????????????????????
Boy I hope Galleh or JDAM or Kukeh or Sidibeh can explain some of these
things to you guys. The reason why I escalated my tone with Demba was precisely
because I know that with your limited understanding, you will go on aversing
others simply because you are unaware that what you do is actually wrong and
unacceptable. Remember, I'm not talking about Press-Freedom and Freedoms of
speech and sunbathing. I know you're itching to throw the idiot's ware into this.
[It is just another outlet for sharing of information.] Yero.
See what I mean???
[From my part, I am the littlest associate of the team. I am sure, from my
forwarding of pieces, I have been judged a pivot. That is not the case. I have
forwarded pieces here even from the Daily Observer yet I am not part of their
team. In fact, I contribute in these forums more than contribute at Gainako.
Why? The spirit of unity and togetherness is much more powerful, much more
loved by God. Of course, you or anyone else will not doubt it, I will defend
Gainako to any other level while the paper is keeping its promise of service
to the people.] Yero.
Yero. Listen to me. Listen carefully. What you shared immediately above is
not significant to any of us here except Yero, Demba, and any other Gainako
owner or staff. Plus, I advise you to look at these two statements of yours.
They could be the source of your rampant unprofessionalism:
1. That is not the case. I have forwarded pieces here even from the Daily
Observer yet I am not part of their team.
2. I contribute in these forums more than contribute at Gainako.
3. The spirit of unity and togetherness is much more powerful, much more
loved by God.
4. Of course, you or anyone else will not doubt it, I will defend Gainako to
any other level while the paper is keeping its promise of service to the
people
You know one ought not start an e-newspaper simply because they have access
to the internet. You end up creating more problems for e-journalists than you
may ever imagine. And I know you mean well. Unfortunately meaning well is
not enough reason to frolick on the internet or on the beach.
[Gainako registers close to one million hits a month, and I am sure, it is
enough for any attention seeker, if any of us was looking for that.] Yero.
This is also insignificant Yero as to Haruna and or Elleners.
[You will attest to the fact that Gainako solicited opinions from many like
you. For example, during the anniverssary of the student Demo, you and many
others were invited for opinions, it happened that only Omar Joof, former GAMSU
Prexy responded. It is the same for many other topics of national interest.]
Yero.
Yero. you are wasting your breath and time. I know you want to take
advantage of Haruna's notoriety to share information here but have some decency.
Please.
[We do solicit interviews as well, in that case, an e-mail will be sent to
you directly from the editor e-mail, mostly not by word of mouth, and of course
never from a third party. People solicit interviews from Gainako as well,
and it is handled in a similar way. Thanks for giving us that alert. Whoever
that person is, refer her back to this note above.] Yero.
It will be significant for you to inform your wider readership of your
protocol of communication. Not just folk here at Ellen. You may want to inform
folk at Posten and post the protocol at Gainako. I am sure you know who I am
talking about and so does Demba. And it is not a she. I only did that to protect
HIS identity and give you an opportunity to issue a cease and desist order
to him. His name is Saidou Jallow in North Carolina.
[While it is a good thing, it should be handled in the proper way.] Yero.
That is EXACTLY what I shared with Saidou. That is why I am confident you
were aware. That has been your trademark. Dishonest securing of notoriety. I'm
sure you're 'shocked' again.
[I encourage you and everyone else to keep the momentum for Sister Fatou.]
Yero.
Concentrate your own and Gainako's momentum for Sister Fatou.
[Include others as well in that package. Let us all team up for the greater
good. The Gambia is bigger than our individual heads. The devisive comments
will yield nothing sound for people who are oppressed. The true struggle is
not about bringing one another down, but lifting all those doing their little
efforts up.] Yero.
Yero, you are speaking to the wrong choir again. This fosse generousity and
faux 'struggle' you keep riding on to trample on the rights of your fellow
citizens will not get you or Gainako too far with Haruna.
[Read the piece "The Guilt IN Us.." and tell me if it is not time to
re-group the political heavyweights either in Banjul, Dakar, USA, UK or any other
place deemed safe for attendees.] Yero.
No I will not read it. Certainly not if it is only at Gainako. If I happen
upon it someday, I will look at who wrote it before I read it. Thanx but no
thanx.
[At Gainako's service, the door is open to you, the GDP and any other
project of national interest for promotion.] Yero.
OK. I must thank you but The GDP does not wish to be associated with Gainako
at this time. I'm glad you are keeping the door wide open for that
possibility anticipating Gainako development in propriety. The GDP does not desire
promotion by Gainako at this time, even free promotion. You're too kind.
[Aluta Continua!!!] Yero.
Very funny. Do you know what Luta you're continuing to fight? Its like
quicksand at the beach.
Bye Yero. Haruna.
Very sincerely yours,
Yero,
associate of GON
Re: Demba & Haruna; A meeting of the minds?þ
From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
([log in to unmask]) on behalf of Haruna Darbo ([log in to unmask])
Sent: Sat 8/23/08 6:35 AM
Reply-to: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
([log in to unmask])
To: [log in to unmask]
I knew you can be funny Demba. No it is not about Fatou because I don't
think we have any disagreements as to Fatou's worth, value, or extant
considerations. If you abandon search for knowledge at "Fatou's" expense,
you will live
to averse me or other again. I'm not sure as a 'Newspaper' editor, you can
afford indiscriminate aversions of other.
Further, if you must know, Fatou has shared with me that you and Yero think
well of me. I shared with her I, likewise, think highly of you. Not only
that,
another of our mutual friends who is entirely separate from Fatou, perhaps
unaware of each other, has shared some months back that you reserve a
congenial place for me in your heart. I had shared then that I do not know
you but I
know of you and what little I may know is honourable. I indicated I would
cherish the opportunity to get better acquainted with you. Perhaps this
were
divine conduit for such opportunity, albeit extraordinary, to be squandered?
Carpe Diem, for as you share, "We live in a small world". Not enough room
for indiscriminate aversions.
God bless.
Your brother Haruna. Oh, before I forget, I meant to share with you that
there's a knucklehead runnin around soliciting interview on Gainako's
behalf.
I'm not sure whether she does it on your direction but she is terribly
unprofessional about it. You may reconsider Agency as you grow.
In a message dated 8/22/2008 9:21:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Haruna,
This was never about me or you. It is about Fatou. I asked that we honor
what she stands for and rally our fellow citizens for a cause she has given
so much for during the last year. Any apologies should be directed to her
and for turning off many people who stands toe to toe with her in this fight
against injustice. We live in a small world and our challenges cannot be any
greater than what we face as a people and nation.
Moving on for a greater course...
Demba
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:28 AM, Haruna Darbo wrote:
>
> [In a message dated 8/21/2008 10:44:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> What is this all about?] Demba.
>
> I am sorry Demba, I had seen your query yesterday but I had to use my
> quota
> wisely and dispense with bottom feeders first. I must say though I was
> surprised, near-shocked that you do not know how you aversed me. I almost
> think you
> are being sarcastic because a mutual friend did advise me of your level of
> education at the very least. Nevertheless, I will take your query as
> genuine
> and I will retrace our actions back but only with your cooperation in an
> INTERACTIVE conversation. I promise not to use any profane language and I
> also
> accept any disdain from you if at the conclusion of our conversation,
you
> found
> me wanting in justifications. Should you prefer, we can choose a mutually
> acceptable mediator from one of our number here, if that brings any
> comfort or
> assurance.
>
> I am taking the kids to the horse farm now but I will have some time
later
> this afternoon. I look forward to your express note of cooperation. I also
> have a story to share with you that may be pertinent to our conversation.
> It
> could bring us cheers at the end of the conversation.
>
> May God bless you and yours. Masoud. MQJGDT. Al Mu'Umin.
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