Hi all,
I do thank you all for more comments, and I read all of them.
To those of you who say I should use the mac, and it's easier than window eyes or jaws, you buy me a mac computer, and send it to me, and then, call me on the phone, and train me, so that I can use it easier than windows xp is laid out, and it has to have all menus, and I'll use it.
Second, for those of you who say "you're not speaking from experience", well, the only way I can speak of vista is from what I've heard on main menu and blind cool tech.  I hated what I heard.  I hate tree views with a passion.
I have a client who uses jaws, and their crappy training materials are all tree views, (I mean in the text version of the help.
I won't teach him that, he would never be able to learn it, given his lack of mental ability to grasp it, but, he can learn menus.
Third, for those of you who say vista  has tree view and menus, just go and listen to joseph lees guides to vista on blindcooltech.com, and you'll see what I mean.  He was doing a stupid tree view in it.  I got so confused, I didn't know where he was.
I'll tell ya what, if someone wants to do it, buy me a vista computer and you, by phone, teach me vista, with only menus, and no trees, and I'll believe it.
I will say this, if vista or mac is so easy to use, then those of you who use them, (I'm serious), do a main menu show, or, submit a podcast to blindcooltech, with using these systems, (the mac or vista), with menus only, and I will switch to vista immediately.  I don't think I'm alone on this idea.  If folks can be convinced that vista and the  mac (the 2 operating systems is what I'm talking about), will work with using only menus, then I think you'll get alot more takers.
Harry


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