HI Bro Yanks, I am very pleased you took the time to share the principles
upon which you are operating vis-a-vis Pa Nderry. I think it makes a lot of
sense. There were a few misplaced submissions but by and large, I do not not
intend to dissuade you from pursuits in either vengeance, retribution, or exact
punishment not to exceed the crime should you so be able to qualify. I do take
brotherly exception to a couple of principles in sociology that you share
here with no intent for aversion to Kant or Einstein. For they are honourable
men.
[Kotekeh Haruna!
Immanuel Kant wrote in philosophy of law 1887 that:
“Even if a Civil Society resolved to dissolve itself with the consent of all
its members – as might be supposed in the case of a people inhabiting an
island resolving to separate and scatter themselves throughout the world – the
last Murderer lying in the prison ought to be executed before the resolution
was carried out. This ought to be done in order that every one may realise the
desert of his deeds, and that bloodguiltiness may not remain upon the people;
for otherwise they might all be regarded as participators in the murder as
public violation of justice”.] Philosophy of law, page 198. Yanks.
This may come as a surprise to you but I acknowledge the value of renovation
Kant shares. He pre-supposes that the resolution to dissolve our community
with the consent of all our colleagues. In our case, we have not arrived at
such resolution yet. Kant further presumes that post-dissolution, the community
will inevitably reform in some manner, similar to, or different from the
manner of the communion to be dissolved. With that in mind therefore, the
execution of the last murderer in Julangel ought to be contemplated with sobriety
and propriety. If clearing the conscience of the society is the impetus for
erasure, I would share that a society with a clear conscience is a band of
marauding bandits. Renaissance's nourishment is the concept of review of history.
It is no wonder Kant is not with us today and he does not share the story of
his forebears.
["This is the school of thought I subscribe to brother, some philosophers
prefer calling it retributivist, some describe it as the cruel school of thought
and I guess from your conclusion this is a mental school of thought. Yet we
are not as worst as the ‘lex talionis’ the believers of the theory ‘eye for
an eye, tooth for tooth’.
Retributivists prefer to regard themselves as not cruel or mental as one
would suppose, they treat a man with dignity, regarding him as a responsible
agent. They give him a chance to expiate his crime by suffering, more or less a
debt analogy, if you owe it, you pay it. Alternatively, far from being cruel,
retribution is the offender’s right. How else is the breach between him and
society to be healed? Or, at least retribution is not needlessly cruel, since
society must denounce crimes in an emphatic way, and the only available
method is retributive sentencing.] Yanks.
My brother, I do subscribe to your view immediately above. However, the
nature and councillor of retribution or punishment ought to be carefully studied.
De minimis, its character and scope may not be in excess of the affect of
the crime. That is what I share. It is quite alright to wish to exact
punishment and or revenge, however, a farthing more punishment than is proprietary
begs Hamurabi ad-infinitum. Further, the affect on the councillor, of even
equivalent punishment must be considered prior. That is what I speak to for my
brother.
"Retributivists are different from the believers of lex talionis because
quite frankly they are mental, since the exact equivalent of harm cannot be
meted out to most offenders. For example, one cannot defraud a fraudster nor can
you rape a rapist." Yanks.
Indeed, one can defraud a fraudster and a rapist too.
"Retributivists concept of punishment if translated into the thoughts of
Mandinka-kebba is that: one cannot speak to someone in a language they don’t
understand; it is complete waste of energy, but if they speak Mandinka and you
response in Mandinka then they understand." Yanks.
I am reminded that in the lexicography of the Mandinka language, there are
inflexions of varying tenor and emphasis. Yanks I understand what you're
saying. I do not intend to take away from the excitement of punishment and
prejudice. I merely urge more careful consideration as to manner and councillor.
"From the retributivist point of view it is not madness to challenge cruel
slanderers like Pa Ndery Mbai and the best way to do this, is to treat it like
a debt which he owes and needs to pay back. To succeed in achieving this, one’
s appraisal has to give consideration to the medium used by the culprits in
perpetrating the evil they have committed, in this case an on line newspaper.
Is it for vainglorious pursuits? No. Is it worth it? yes!" Yanks.
You share that the conduit of Pa Nderry's crime is an on-line tabloid. And
it is free. Should you consider appraising the value of its product and
circulation as well as the medium? Why would you want to expend energy, time, and
resources to punish an invalid? Might you consider the manner of punishment
therefore?
"Albert Einstein, the great physician himself, once answered the question of
who is a criminal, with this analogy. He it is not he who commits the crime
in society; but he who has the power and means to stop the criminal or to do
something about him and failed to do so or act accordingly to stop the
criminality. If this analogy is applied to the scenario in topic here, it is not Pa
Nderry who is the culprit perpetrating the crimes but we the able Gambians
who seat and fold our hands together and do nothing except to wish for Pa
Nderry’s mercy. I refuse to be that criminal." Yanks.
I understand Yanks. I believe you shared that Pa Nderry has committed the
crime or crimes. He therefore was not barred from the act of committing the
crime or crimes. The commission of crimes is complete. Witness your desire to
exact punishment. What Einstein shares is premised on the acknowledgement that
the criminal comes from the society. And to the extent his crime is odious,
the society ought to reconsider its ware. That is the moral behind Einstein's
submission. If its any consolation to you, I hold no brief, neither do I
muster empathy for Pa Nderry. I believe however that he is on a journey toward
rehabilitation at no expense to you or society. That is the regenerative power
Einstein urges us consider.
"On the other hand Brother I perused your advice and reasoned well, but
could not come to total agreement with it. Though I agree with you to some extent
but I was of the opinion that yours sounded more like a utilitarian view on
punishment than a retributivist. For the former I have washed my hands with
it since my days of studying theories of punishment and sentencing. But saying
that I do not harbour abhorrence for the concept of utilitarianism, in fact
I tend to believe that utilitarianism is a concept developed or based on love
and kindness for ones kin's. This is very good and I do think, brother
Haruna, your advice here was manifesting your love for a brother." Yanks.
I have always known you wise and discerning. I am pleased you recognize
value in my pleadings.
"I hope you would not wonder what in the heck is all this philosophy about,
well the premises of my intention in creating an online paper to challenge Pa
Nderry and Freedom Newspaper, is based on my retributivist believe that the
punishment best fitting the crime of Pa Ndery is what has been clichéd as
making one taste the fruit of his own medicine or deeds, which ever way it is
phrased. Bro mine is not vainglorious pursuits but based on a true
philosophical principle." Yanks.
I understood Bro. I take a liking to philosophy oftentimes. I was pleased to
read Kant and Einstein again. The energy, time, and resources you intend to
invest in the mirror, would you consider investing it in the victims of Pa
Nderry, whosoever were to have been so aversed?
"I hope I have done you no offence." Yanks.
Far from it brother and colleague. I enjoy you thoroughly. I hope we have
yielded each other a good turn.
Sincerely, Haroun Masoud. MQDT. AL Mu'Umin.
Brethren Yanks
> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:31:36 -0500
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Pa Ndery's Cruelty!
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> Yanks,
>
> I understand your frustrations. However, I advise you abandon such
> vainglorious pursuits. Why would you want to expend time and energy or a
single
> farthing in an endeavour to counter Pa Nderry's Free-online newspaper? You
probably
> need your head examined more than Pa Nderry does.
>
> Haroun Rashid. MQDT Darbo. Train on more valuable endeavour. Besides your
> studies will require any excess time, energy, and resource you may come
upon.Al
> Mutawakkil.
>
> In a message dated 11/8/2007 6:49:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> "A CYNICAL, MERCENARY, DEMAGOGIC CORRUPT PRESS WILL PRODUCE IN TIME PEOPLE
> AS BASE AS ITSELF"
> Joseph Pulitzer 1847 - 1911: inscribed on the gateway to the Columbia
school
> of journalism
>
> Once i wrote an article about the self alluded excessive power that Pa
> Nderry Mbai seems to think he has
> by owning what he supposedly thinks is the world's most widely read
> newspaper, Free-doomed Newspaper. Little did he knows that in somewhere
Britania
> people don't even know its existence.
>
> This journalistic monster is on a course of wanton destruction that will
> leave decent Gambian tainted by his cruelty. Pa Nderry and his
> "Foka-Jai-Newspaper" are bent on criminality of slander and defamation
> against innocent victims.
>
> In his naivity he tried to disguise himself as the gladiator of the Gambian
> struggle against dictator Jammeh!
> For the sake defeating the greater evil, we let his evil lethal paper grow
> in strength with the hope that it can help us defeat our worst nemesis,
Yahya
> Jammeh. But what have we done, the freedom newspaper that was suppose to
> fight for our freedom is now our freedom destroyer. This Kafirr Pa Nderry
needed
> to be stopped! In simple we need another online newspaper that's sole
> purpose will be to bring freedom down! Pa Nderry just like Jammeh is on a
collision
> path with us, we are decent people abused by Jammeh, so we should not let
> that son of a Niamina Sambang "Batotala" abuse the characters of the
remaining
> decent people in our communities.
>
> Heraclitus 540-480 BC stated on the Universe that "A man's character is his
> fate". When will this cruel
> monster Nderry Mbai understand that tarnishing people's characters is not
> just illegal is evil.
> The latest callousness of Pa Nderry's abuses against Sheriff Bojang is
wrong
> and uncalled for. I have read Sheriff interview on All Gambia i do not
think
> it warrant a response of that magnitude. But Pa Nderry is an
> unchallengeable, all knowing beast, who has dossiers on every Gambian's
dodgy businesses.
> You state one thing about him, he comes with millions even if they are all
lies!
>
> The western world is among the world's ardent supporters of press freedom;
> but even they know the dangers of an unguarded press. The English common
law
> had to bring in safe guards of libel and defamation to protect innocent
people
> from the wrath of unscrupulous and care free join the listers like Pa
Nderry
> Mbai.
>
> Pa Nderry's cruelty; My campaign continues. I need an on line newspaper
> called "Anti Pa Nderry Freedom" i'm working on it hopefully it will come
out
> soon!
>
> Brethren Yanks
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