In Carlisle Pa.? Love that place! I installed a library system there
back in the eighties. Such a cool atmosphere!
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of ken barber
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:17 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Obama experience
my brother went to the war college so i have learned a
little about military stategy.
--- "Cleveland, Kyle E."
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> You betcha! We'll have a presence (bases) in
> south-western Iraq, in the
> rural desert, for a long, long time.
>
> Kyle
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of ken barber
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:03 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Obama experience
>
> i have said for some times when ask why iraq first
> that one only has to look at the map.
>
> --- "Cleveland, Kyle E."
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Kendall,
> >
> > I don't think Dubya is terribly Machiavellian in
> and
> > of himself. Cheney and that scoundrel Rumsfeld on
> > the other hand...
> >
> > Here's a thought about Iraq and Machiavellianism:
> > We went to war on the lamest of "public" excuses.
> > However--and maybe this is the military man in me
> > speaking--we have 125K+ troops in a country that
> > borders three of the four countries having direct
> > involvement in the events of 9/11: Syria, Iran
> and
> > Saudi Arabia. It makes perfect strategic sense to
> > me.
> >
> > Kyle
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List on behalf of Kendall D.
> > Corbett
> > Sent: Thu 1/10/2008 2:51 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Obama experience
> >
> >
> >
> > Machiavelli said "it is better to be feared than
> > loved, if you cannot be
> > both." There are many that say the present
> > administration is the most
> > Machiavellian in the history of the US. All
> > politicians seem to follow
> > Machiavelli to an extent, but what of those who
> > consciously try to not
> > appear to be Machiavellian? Are they not the most
> > duplicitous of all?
> >
> > On Jan 10, 2008 5:51 AM, Cleveland, Kyle E.
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not so sure it was either passion or
> self-pity
> > that provoked the
> > > tears. I think it may possibly have been a
> > calculated action to show
> > > she's not "calculating". She has a rep for
> being
> > cold, ya know.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > > Of Kathy
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:30 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Obama experience
> > >
> > > Humph, just because a woman cries, it's a
> negative
> > thing -- it wasn't a
> > > pity
> > > party!
> > >
> > > (and besides, she won, so it doesn't seem to
> have
> > hurt her chances in
> > > the
> > > caucus.)
> > >
> > > Kat
> > >
> > >
> --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "ken barber" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:19 AM
> > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c-palsy
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: Obama experience
> > >
> > > > looked like a pity party to me.
> > > >
> > > > --- Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I didn't see the entire hilary thing, but
> what
> > I did
> > > >> see was not crying! I saw hilary being
> > passionate
> > > >> about the issues she says she cares about.
> > There is
> > > >> a difference guys!
> > > >>
> > > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >> http://www.zazzle.com/TamarMag*
> > > >> Tamar Mag Raine
> > > >> [log in to unmask]
> > > >> www.cafepress.com/tamarmag
> > > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message ----
> > > >> From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >> To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 6:55:29 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: Obama experience
> > > >>
> > > >> well Virginia, you told me something I did
> not
> > know
> > > >> about LBJ.
> > > >> WAR ON POVERTY..LOOKS LIKE POVETY WON!
> > > >>
> > > >> WATCHING THE RETURNS, RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE
> > > >> hILLARY'S DEMISE MIGHT HAVE BEEN EXAGERATED.
> > > >>
> > > >> sorry i can't seem to keep my fingers off the
> > caps
> > > >> lock for some reason.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- Virginia Perry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Ken,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > As I understand it, LBJ's health was a
> > factor. He
> > > >> > didn't want the American public to lose
> > another
> > > >> > sitting president so soon after Kennedy.
> One
> > of my
> > > >> > sources says LBJ had an actuarial study
> done
> > in
> > > >> 1967
> > > >> > to see how long he had to live. In fact, he
> > died
> > > >> in
> > > >> > January 1973, so his instinct in that was
> > pretty
> > > >> > accurate. Of course, his party wasn't very
> > > >> > supportive, either, due to all the flak LBJ
> > was
> > > >> > taking on Vietnam. I sometimes wonder what
> he
> > > >> could
> > > >> > have accomplished if he hadn't been saddled
> > with
> > > >> > Vietnam -- if he'd been able to really
> focus
> > on
> > > >> his
> > > >> > War on Poverty.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > But I guess my overall point was that
> > experience
> > > >> > shouldn't always be THE deciding factor in
> an
> > > >> > election.> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:03:18
> > -0700>
> > > >> > From: [log in to unmask]> Subject:
> Re:
> > > >> Obama
> > > >> > experience> To: [log in to unmask]>
> >
> > > >> > Virginia, et al,> > Carter ran in '76 as an
> > > >> "outside
> > > >> > the Beltway" candidate, and relied on his>
> > > >> executive
> > > >> > experience in Georgia. Reagan ran as an
> > "outside
> > > >> the
> > > >> > Beltway"> candidate in 1980, and relied on
> > his
> > > >> > executive experience as Governor of>
> > California.
>
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