i will also point out that there was a growing
antislavery movement in the south.
i'll also point out that in one of the debates between
lincoln and douglas that mr lincoln advocated using
proposed freed slaves to colonize some carribean
islands becouse they were well suited for that
poupose. it has been too long for my senile memory to
site which debate it was. i read too many of them.
of course that was sort of how liberia got started,
with freed american slaves.
--- "Cleveland, Kyle E."
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The bulk of slave owners would have been, ideed,
> counted in the census. However, many poor whites
> who farmed "on the shares" were Scots-Irish who
> detested the idea of being included in the war, in
> any census, and certainly did not have the means to
> own slaves. The majority of my ancestors were
> deserters who left the Confederate Army in 1864 or
> earlier to return home to farm. Their society was
> so closed off from the rest of the country that my
> grandfather still spoke with a clipped brogue
> instead of a southern drawl.
>
> My five-greats grandfather, Benjamin Cleveland (see
> his Wikipedia entry) WAS a wealthy North Carolina
> slave owner prior to the Revolutionary War. After
> the war he moved to South Carolina after selling his
> estate and slaves. He regarded them as no more than
> another farm implement and even wrote in his diary
> that attempts to baptize them into the Presbyterian
> church would be fruitless as they obviously had no
> souls!
>
> One of his house slaves was named "Anna". She's my
> daughter's namesake.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Cerebral Palsy List on behalf of ken barber
> Sent: Thu 4/10/2008 6:55 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: I'm wondering about the dividing
> line...
>
>
>
> no i did not catch deri, but, i would like to see
> it. it is diametrically opposed to a book i read
> several years ago.
> also the ecconomy of the time i do not think
> would
> support that many rich people in any of those
> states.
> the coinage of the era would point to much less
> wealth.
>
> --- Deri James <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday 10 April 2008 18:34:25 ken barber
> wrote:
> > > deri's percentages shows a extraordinary number
> of
> > > rich people in the souther states. i find it
> > > questionable that in the 1850-1860's time frame
> > that
> > > they were that many rich people.: i think in one
> > state
> > > nearly 49 % of a state being rich? i do not know
> > his
> > > sources but those per cents are very
> questionable.
> > and
> > > when i say rich i mean rich. you had to be very
> > > wealthy to own a slave. i find the term own a
> > slave to
> > > be offensive just to use it, but, i know not how
> > to
> > > convey it differently.
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > The sources for the percentages I quoted was in
> the
> > post (did you read the
> > article? It was by a History professor with 46
> > bibliographical references at
> > the end).
> >
> > If you read the article you'll probably see the
> > figures seem to come from
> > James D. B. De Bow who was superintendent of the
> > 1850 national census and was
> > quoted in "The Interest in Slavery of the Southern
> > Non-Slaveholder. 1860
> > Association. Tract No. 5 (Charleston, 1860), 3-4."
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Deri
> >
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