I GIVE UP!!! I asked two questions that I wanted answers to and all I got back was debate... Ken, you'd make a fine politico.
---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 20:03:53 -0700
>From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: actually linda is right
>To: [log in to unmask]
>
>i said nothing about you being liberal, i stated that
>unintended consequences happens with a lot of
>legislation and that one had to look at what can
>happen. i do not see that aS LIBERAL NOR CONCERVATIVE.
>i see it as causious. and again jumping before looking
>may end one up going off a cliff. i don't think i
>tared anything.
>
>--- "Michael H. Collis" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> I'm not debating you. I just asked two questions,
>> and you seem to tar everything that comes in
>> conflict with your ideas as liberal and therefore
>> unamerican... Please answer my questions.
>>
>> ---- Original message ----
>> >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:35:04 -0700
>> >From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
>> >Subject: Re: actually linda is right
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> > i really don't want to debate gay rights again,
>> but,
>> >you leap without looking at what all the
>> consequences
>> >are and you do so at your own periel. there are
>> always
>> >consequences to every thing that is legislated and
>> >many times they are un-intended.
>> >
>> >--- "Michael H. Collis" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Okay. Ken, how about this? If a male
>> transgendered
>> >> himself into a female, then got married to a
>> male,
>> >> would that be okay? that's what happened to an
>> >> online jewish friend. he met the person he ended
>> up
>> >> marrying while the person was still male, A year
>> >> later the transgender process was complete and
>> they
>> >> got married. Then there are the hermaphrodites.
>> >> Granted, they make up a very small percentage of
>> the
>> >> population, but they have both genders. what are
>> we
>> >> to do with those people?
>> >>
>> >> ---- Original message ----
>> >> >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:12:52 -0700
>> >> >From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >Subject: Re: actually linda is right
>> >> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >
>> >> >you would not remove the guard rails that are at
>> >> the
>> >> >cliff edges at the grand canyon because of what
>> is
>> >> >likely to happen.
>> >> >
>> >> >you don't ignore the slippery slope that is
>> there
>> >> >because it is prudent to look at what is likely
>> to
>> >> >happen.
>> >> >
>> >> >nothing to do with morals; everything to do with
>> >> good
>> >> >common sense.
>> >> >
>> >> >--- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi Ken,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You know the one thing I learned while I was
>> >> >> teaching in that
>> >> >> Christian private school - is those people are
>> >> very
>> >> >> sincere in their
>> >> >> beliefs - and no I never mentioned I am Pagan
>> nor
>> >> >> argued with one thing
>> >> >> said. As I said I learned they honestly and
>> >> >> sincerely believe what they
>> >> >> believe. And so it is everyone - so why would
>> >> anyone
>> >> >> think they would
>> >> >> bring you around to their way of thinking - we
>> >> can
>> >> >> never change anyone's
>> >> >> mind - they have see beyond the horizon of
>> their
>> >> >> boundaries - a
>> >> >> uncomfortable play to be.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have no problem with gay marriages - if
>> >> polygamy
>> >> >> were a voluntary
>> >> >> state - not a brainwasher slave state - I
>> could
>> >> >> perhaps see it but for
>> >> >> the most part since we have no positive role
>> >> models
>> >> >> here - it's hard to
>> >> >> make a judgement on it. I can see jealousy
>> being
>> >> a
>> >> >> major factor in it
>> >> >> not being successful. I really don't think
>> anyone
>> >> >> backs pedifiles. Of
>> >> >> course you do have some laws for young
>> marriages.
>> >> I
>> >> >> think the thing is
>> >> >> view each item on its own merits and not lump
>> >> them
>> >> >> together because it
>> >> >> might lead down a slippery slope - blanket
>> >> >> com=ndemning things - could
>> >> >> be seen as going down a slippery slope also.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Oooops got to run.....
>> >> Trisha
>> >> >> (who is taking her
>> >> >> Mom shopping)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Cerebral Palsy List
>> >> >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
>> >> >> Of ken barber
>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:36 PM
>> >> >> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >> Subject: actually linda is right
>> >> >>
>> >> >> actually linda is right on the fact that i do
>> not
>> >> >> post
>> >> >> much of controversy direct to the list as much
>> as
>> >> i
>> >> >> once did. i am following the advice that i
>> give
>> >> my
>> >> >> son
>> >> >> "choose your fights well and be sure they are
>> >> worth
>> >> >> the efford you are going to have to put in
>> them."
>> >> i
>> >> >> post many things to about 3 or 4 people who
>> for
>> >> the
>> >> >> most part do not agreee with my opinions, but
>> >> that i
>> >> >>
>> >> >> know are not going to attack me for having my
>> >> >> opinions.
>> >> >> the last time i posted on an issue like this
>> >> one,
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> was entwined in with a discussion of not only
>> >> >> polygamy
>> >> >> but gay rights and other alternative
>> lifestyles.
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> i said "many adults wanted sex with children"
>> i
>> >> was
>> >> >> accused of "hate speech." after that post i
>> got
>> >> >> quite
>> >> >> a load of off list email(from the tolerate
>> >> liberals
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> the list) and if you want to know hate speech
>> you
>> >> >> should have been able to read a few of those.
>> >> that
>> >> >> lead me to post my "i will not be intimidated"
>> by
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> tactic email.
>> >> >> now, since the subject is out here, these
>> >> people
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> Pedophiles. they are like a nest of vermin.
>> you
>> >> >> attack
>> >> >> them in one place and they just move to
>> another
>> >> and
>> >> >> produce anotherr nest.
>> >> >> linda's opinion that officials at the
>> mormon
>> >> >> church
>> >> >> publicly critisize polygamay while giving it
>> a
>> >> wink
>> >> >> and a nod my indeed be true. i can neither
>> >> confirm
>> >> >> nor disprove it. i know that the mormons that
>> i
>> >> >> personally know do not like it. the law
>> >> enforcement
>> >> >> and politicos from arizona and utah might
>> could
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> given texas a "heads up" if they knew these
>>
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