this can not be blamed on the president. if a unit is
deployed and 20 % happens to be women, he can't say
let's deploy 80 % of that unit. the unit as a whole
has certain skills and would not be complete leaving
out members of the unit.
as i remember the american people really did not
want the military full of women, but, the left just
kept on pushing the envelope to get them in.
if they were not there they would not be deployed.
--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I just think one parent should stay home it doesn't
> matter which sex
> I just think it is barbaric to send both parents to
> war especially
> for this type of action.
>
> At 06:24 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:
> >well linda, we never had the women joining as they
> do
> >now. in precious wars usually a woman in the
> military
> >was to be a care giver to the wounded, but, with
> >"equal rights"....
> >
> >--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > uniquely horrible in that it is an entirely
> > > unnecessary war just my
> > > opinion and it is more brutal because of the
> length
> > > of time people
> > > are serving and the fact that Bush will send two
> > > parents in there
> > > causing incredible worry to the families and
> > > children. We never did
> > > things like that before. I guess I just kinda
> hope
> > > we've learned
> > > something since the Spanish inquisition and it's
> > > interesting that's
> > > the one you mention since we have Abu Ghraib.
> > > Everyone responds to trauma differently. My
> father
> > > never raised his
> > > voice or his hand against anyone and he is a war
> > > hero so I am not of
> > > course talking about everyone.
> > > In the child abuse work I do, I see some highly
> > > resilient people who
> > > have good lives to people who are just destroyed
> by
> > > the events even
> > > to the point of taking their own life. We will
> be
> > > paying for this
> > > war emotionally and socially for a couple of
> > > generations. Of course
> > > not everyone but some returning vets won't be
> able
> > > to cope and they
> > > will act out in violence towards themselves and
> > > those closest to
> > > them. It is well known there is a high incidence
> of
> > > domestic violence
> > > inside the services.
> > > And it bugs me that we primarily report our
> soldiers
> > > deaths but
> > > seldom report the number of displaced Iraquis
> > > because of our actions.
> > > Anyhow this is taking away from the terrible
> > > inhumane way that woman
> > > was treated. We'll never know if she would have
> > > lived with prompt tratement.
> > >
> > >
> > > At 04:40 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:
> > > >Linda, if your logic were to be applied across
> the
> > > board, there wouldn't
> > > >be any vets who could go back to civilian
> lives
> > > and get on with them.
> > > >Remember that we have been in wars since this
> > > country was founded and
> > > >there is nothing new about the traumas of war
> (well
> > > except for our
> > > >capacity to quickly kill each other). If you
> think
> > > our brutality in
> > > >Iraq is uniquely horrible, may I refer you to
> any
> > > history of the Spanish
> > > >Inquisition or the Roman Empire? Violence,
> alas,
> > > is nothing new.
> > > >
> > > >Having said that I do agree with you that we
> don't
> > > need to be in Iraq
> > > >because we need to spend our money where it's
> > > better put to use, and I
> > > >think we have done very little good by invading
> > > Iraq.
> > > >
> > > >Kat
> > > >
> > > >Linda Walker wrote:
> > > > > Many of the soldiers being deployed are at
> > > Schofield next to where I
> > > > > live. I feel like I live on a military base
> > > here. We rent units to
> > > > > soldiers and to private contractors who are
> also
> > > serving there. I have
> > > > > been dealing with their problems as they
> come
> > > home. I am sure I have
> > > > > talked to more of them than most American
> > > civilians. I have often
> > > > > talked to them about whether or not they are
> > > going to re enlist and
> > > > > other things. Believe me when I say these
> young
> > > men and women are
> > > > > coming back very distraught and destroyed
> and
> > > they cannot seek any
> > > > > psychological counseling without it
> negatively
> > > impacting their service
> > > > > record.
> > > > >
> > > > > At 01:42 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:
> > > > >> Linda, I think your politics are showing.
> I
> > > don't believe this fellow=
> > > > >> was a veteran of any current conflict.
> The
> > > article referred to a
> > > > >> 'brie=
> > > > >> f army stint'. I do believe the Guardian
> was
> > > trying to capitalize on=
> > > > >> his military service and subliminally link
> his
> > > military service to his=
> > > > >> crime without having to outright establish
> the
> > > connection--but that's=
> > > > >> typical of yellow journalism, both liberal
> and
> > > conservative. PTSD may=
> > > > >> tear a mind down, but it doesn't turn
> whole
> > > groups of vets into
> > > > >> cold-he=
> > > > >> arted brutes. How many vets do you know?
> How
> > > many have you talked to=
> > > > >> about their experiences--or are you just
> > > repeating what you've been
> > > > >> tol=
> > > > >> d by the proponents of a particular
> political
> > > agenda?
> > > > >> =20
> > > > >> War is brutal to soldier and civilian
> alike,
> > > but you can't make
> > > > >> sweeping=
> > > > >> generalizations about post-bellum
> behavior.
> > > If your prediction were=
> > > > >> based in fact, we would have never
> recovered
> > > from the second World
> > > > >> War.=
> > > > >> My father, who served in two conflicts,
> Korea
> > > and Vietnam, would have=
> > > > >> taken out his war-generated angst on his
> > > family, right? A retired US=
> > > > >> Marine Lieutenant Colonel, he is the
> kindest,
> > > most gentle man I've
> > > > >> ever=
> > > > >> known. =20
> > > > >> =20
> > > > >> War is supposed to be brutal, violent. It
> is
> > > such an admission of
> > > > >> failu=
> > > > >> re and is testimony to the true nature of
> > > humankind. The military is=
> > > > >> a blunt instrument--a hammer, where
> everything
> > > is a nail. But nobody=
> > > > >> wants war less than the best soldier.
> > > > >> =20
> > > > >> Three years is harsh? In most US states
> this
> > > would be conspiracy to
> > > > >> man=
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >> slaughter and would have received 10-15
> with
> > > parole at 7. I highly
>
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