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For Christian radio, I would suggest checking in your area for the 
bible Broadcasting network.  What little I have heard of them here, 
they seem pretty solid.  Just google bible broadcasting network.

earlier, Phil Scovell, wrote:

>Abstaining from Abstinence
>
>By Phil Scovell
>
>
>
>Have you ever, upon feeling sad or discouraged, turned on
>Christian radio or TV in hopes you would hear something that might
>lift your spirits?  I have probably done that thousands of times
>over my lifetime.  I thought that was mostly what Christian
>broadcasting was all about but it doesn't seem to be most of the
>time.
>
>      I switched on the TV to watch some late night news.  I
>listened until everything began to repeat itself and then thought
>I would surf the Christian TV channels on our satellite service.
>I was feeling that sadness and discouragement and God as my
>witness, I thought maybe somebody would be talking about something
>that would encourage me.  I will always think that way although,
>over the years, and the thousands of times I have done this,
>rarely has anything I heard lifted my spirits, encouraged me, or
>answered any question I had about my walk with the Lord.  I wonder
>why?  I know why; I'm just thinking out loud.  Anyhow, I made the
>same mistake this particular night, but, as I said, I'll never
>stop doing it and I am thankful for all the Christian radio and
>Christian TV we have today so don't jump my case for being honest.
>
>      I tuned just four stations.  Two of the 4 were asking for
>money to support their ministry and spending the entire show
>doing so.  Nothing knew there.  In fact, the first one was asking
>for 1,000 dollars per person and he would pray a special
>intercessory prayer of financial blessing for you.  I guess that
>means the rest of us couldn't be blessed.  A third channel was a
>man telling people who had the most authority in the church today.
>Dumb me.  I thought it was Jesus but it didn't sound like that was
>what he believed so I changed channels once again for the fourth
>time.
>
>      A Christian movie filled the screen.  I had never seen one of
>these Christian movies before, although people had told me about
>them, so I began to listen.  It was pretty neat at first, great
>acting, and it was all Christian in nature.  You've probably heard
>of Seventh Street Theater?  I had heard of it but didn't remember
>until the movie was over and they said the name but this was my
>first time seeing it.  Unfortunately, I only saw the last 10 or 15
>minutes of the movie.  I wanted to puke  and hit myself on the
>head with a hammer for even watching that little of the movie but
>like I have already said twice, I will continue doing the same
>thing I did tonight until Jesus comes.  Then it is no more
>Christian radio or TV for me ever again.
>
>      As I have said, the acting was as good as any I have seen.
>The Christian flavor really made it feel and sound real and I
>thought it was really cool.  My complaint wasn't the movie, the
>content, the acting, or anything else other than the advice given
>in order to help a man with a problem he faced.  Let me set this
>up so you'll understand what it was about.
>
>      Apparently, a man had come to visit a Christian family.  He
>was not born again.  I believe he came with his brother who knew
>this Christian family.  As I said, I got in on the last 10 or 15
>minutes, maybe it was 20 minutes, of the movie so I don't know how
>all this developed, but the man who was not a Christian
>continually was going upstairs and checking his email.  The
>Christian wife of the house used the same computer but started
>getting porno popup advertisements on her computer.  The husband,
>or man of the house, realized one day that it all started when
>this visitor came to the house.  He approached him one day and
>literally asked him if he was hooked on pornography.  The man
>denied it and things got pretty tense between them.
>
>      Soon after this confrontation, the unsaved man used the
>computer again.  Gage was the name of the man who owned the house
>and had approached the man about the pornography.  Gage walks into
>the room just as the man tried accessing his email and pointed out
>once again, the porno popups started only after he came and
>started using his wife's computer, and told him he could help him
>if he would allow it.  Fast forwarding a little, the man gave in
>and said he was hooked on porno.  Gage began talking a lot of
>good Biblical stuff to him and eventually seemed to lead him to
>Christ, although this part was very shallow to me, but then I've
>led quite a number of people to Christ in my life and I like to be
>sure the person understands and is showing commitment when they
>pray compared to what I saw in this movie.  It was just a movie so
>I guess it isn't all that important.  Not!  Anyhow, Gage did a
>good job helping the man and explaining things but then from
>there, everything went downhill fast, and the wheels came off his
>theology, and the conversation crashed and burned spiritually and
>Scripturally.
>
>      First, Gage told his friend that if he became a Christian,
>not only would Jesus help him with this problem, but He would fix
>the problem.  So far, so good, I figured, because that was a true
>statement but incomplete.  So I wanted to see what came next.
>
>      Gage told the man how Jesus would fix the problem for him.
>Are you ready for this?  He told the man that he had to deal with
>his problem.  Wait!  I thought Jesus was going to do all that for
>him.  I guess not because now, Gage was telling this man that he
>had to solve his own problem.  How?  Thank you for asking.  Gage
>said, the only way he could solve his problem, get a hold of your
>underwear now, was to give up computers completely.  What?  You
>heard me.  He told the man the only way God could help him is if
>he gave up computers totally in his life.  The man said, "Gage, I
>can't do that.  I build and repair computers for a living.  How
>could I give them up?"  Gage literally told him he had to get
>another job.  He said, "Look, what is the last thing an alcoholic
>needs?"  Of course, the man said a drink.  Gage said, "There you
>go.  You have to give up computers just like a drunk has to give
>up alcohol."
>
>      I was dumbfounded.  I thought he had told the man that Jesus
>could solve his problem for him.  Then I hear the only way this
>man can be free is to give up all computers?  Holy Cow!  So what
>if the guy was fat, like me.  Does this mean he should give up all
>food, never go to the grocery store, Dairy Queen, or a fast food
>place, give up can openers, his pop can collection, and stop
>drinking water, too, just in case?  This psychological behavioral
>modification methodology crap sneaked into the church clear back
>even when I was a little boy growing up in the Baptist church.  I
>was born again, on the other hand, in an Evangelical Free Church
>but I digress.  I was taught, both in the Christian home by a
>father who was a preacher and a pastor, as well as in the church,
>and Bible college I attended, that abstinence was God's way of
>solving Christian's problems of habitual whatever.  This included
>going to movie theaters, which was a sin, watching to much TV and
>in one church, even having a TV at all was wrong, smoking,
>drinking, sex outside of marriage, that was a given, masturbatory
>practices, hand holding, kissing, and a number of sexually related
>things we all tossed in on top of this rule, no pun intended,
>mixed swimming, when I was very young, and that means boys and
>girls swimming in the same pool together, or lake, or ocean,
>missing a church service no matter how sick you were, and a few
>hundred other legalistic rules and regulations.  Now, I am not
>suggesting some of these things are not indeed sin but I am
>suggesting the movie I watched and am writing to you about right
>now was not only stupid but unscriptural.  Stay away from all
>computers?  Get a different job where you aren't working were
>computers around?  What sort of job could that be, I wonder.
>Anyhow, I will now address why this theology is wrong.
>
>      In a word, or two, it doesn't work, never has, and never
>will.  Let's first, since the movie was focused on pornography
>addiction, address that topic as an example.
>
>      Do you honestly thing, a man, or it could be a woman I
>suppose, was addicted to porno, that by not watching it,
>exercising a ton of self will in the process, that such a man
>would be free?  hell no, he wouldn't be free.  He'd be in hell all
>the time, in a manner of speaking.  Let me use myself as the first
>example.
>
>      One evening, a couple of men picked me up to go to the
>church.  It was a week night and we were all elders, in a very
>large Baptist church, although we were called deacons, and I was
>21 years old and the youngest deacon the church ever had.
>
>      As we were riding down the street, I was in the back seat,
>one of the men said, "Boy brother Scovell, you are lucky."
>
>      "I am?" I replied; not having the foggiest idea what in the
>Sam hill he was talking about.
>
>      "Yep," he sighed.  "You are blind so you can't see all the
>half naked women walking down the street during the summer like
>this."
>
>      "I wanted to say, and nearly did, "I'd give anything to have
>enough sight to see those half naked women walking down the
>street," but I was a good Christian and said nothing.  In my mind,
>however, I said two things to myself, "Is this guy looking at such
>naked women walking down the street right now?  If so, let's hear
>about it."  Then I thought, "Does this guy honestly believe if you
>are blind, your brain isn't working?"  My point should be obvious.
>You've heard it before; I'm sure.  Your sex organs aren't between
>your legs; they are between your ears.  In other words, it is your
>brain and your mind and your feelings and your emotions God uses
>to create intimacy; the rest is simple biology.  Outside of
>marriage, it is sin.  Period.  Nothing less no matter how much
>others rationalize it; in or out of the church.
>
>      Here is another example.
>
>      A former homosexual came to a Christian counselor and told
>him he had been straight, that is, he had withheld sexual
>expressiveness from himself for 15 years.  The problem was, he
>confessed, "I'm not free.  I can't get it out of my mind.  I go to
>homosexual support groups, I'm faithful going to church, I read my
>Bible, I pray, I've given up all my old friends, and I stay as far
>away from other gays as I can.  Yet I still feel the pull of the
>life style.  I've lived with it because I just thought this is how
>it is supposed to be once you become a Christian."
>
>      After about three different prayer sessions, the man was
>shown the lie he had been believing and three years later, wrote
>the counselor a letter and said that he had no more urges and even
>the desire itself had not returned.  He was free!
>
>      So I asked you again, do you think that this man, who was
>addicted to pornography, by giving up computers, would walk free
>the rest of his life?  Someone is saying, "Well, yeh, sure.  If he
>truly became a born again Christian, those desires would be gone."
>Is that how you got saved?  Has it worked for you; abstinence I
>mean.  Don't answer that question because I already know.
>
>      Let's step outside the box and see what God can really do.
>
>      Let's say you are a pastor and a man comes to you for
>counseling.  You set up the first appointment and once he arrives,
>you both soon slip into a casual conversational time of sharing
>and soon you begin to get a picture of what you think this man has
>come to you for.  The first hour session is pretty productive and
>common, nothing you haven't experienced before, in other words.
>Since there is nothing new, you give him a lot of books to read
>and a hundred bible verses to memorized, and have him swear on the
>Bible laying on your desk that you use for funerals, that he will,
>to the best of his ability, never miss any church services as long
>as he shall live.  Well, it is the same Bible you use at weddings,
>too, so what the hay.
>
>      Next week, the man returns.  More information is shared but
>nothing of a personal nature.  Well, he admits he masturbates
>occasionally and he likes women, so you give him a couple of books
>written by Christian psychologists, some who say masturbation is
>ok, and others who call it sin, and expect him to figure it out on
>his own.  Of course, the pastor can't admit he does the same thing
>and that he has begged got for years to help him and that he has
>tried everything he's heard about but still cannot stop doing it,
>but this guy doesn't need to know all that.
>
>      The third week, the mud hits the fan.  I mean, the pastor
>took pastoral counseling in seminary and all, and even has his
>masters in family and marriage counseling, but he ain't never
>heard something this weird.  The pastor has just learned, the man
>is a bicycle seat sniffer.  That's right.  No fooling.  Honest.
>The guy cannot help himself.  He sneaks around, mostly at night,
>finds bicycles parked in garages, chained up at the YMCA, leaning
>against house in the backyard, and he just can't help himself; he
>has to sniff the seats.  To the horror of the well train pastoral
>counselor, who has had 5 years of psychological training and over
>12,000 hours of hourly counseling throughout his ministry, what
>comes next totally short circuits his Christian brain and he
>nearly goes into a spiritual panic attack.  Why, because what he
>is now hearing doesn't fit his Christian training nor his
>psychological education.  Well, what is it then?  The man in is
>office reports that his disease, addiction, syndrome, disorder, or
>whatever the damn thing is labeled, is now out in the open in
>broad daylight.  That's right.  His problem has come out into the
>open and he even sniffs bicycle seats when he knows other people
>are watching.  You're laughing right now but the pastor is
>freaked out that such a crazy mentally ill pervert is in his
>office and the young man with the disorder, is crying hysterically
>and begging for help.  The pastor wants to toss the man out of his
>office but instead, admits to this poor young man that this is far
>beyond his ability to handle professionally and recommends a good
>Christian Psychiatrist 250 miles away that the man must see as
>soon as possible.  The session is over and the broken man stumbles
>from the office and that night shoots himself.  Thank you Jesus
>for nothing.
>
>      First of all, some are saying, "It serves him right, the
>crazy guy, I mean.  After all, he was crazy and probably a child
>molester, too.  He couldn't be any Christian of any kind.  He
>deserves hell."
>
>      Ok.  Stupid, but ok.
>
>      So what about your feelings for the habitual masturbatory
>practices of the pastor who now not only is masturbating more than
>ever before, but is dialing up porno on the web, and trying his
>hardest not to start sneaking out at night to sniff bicycle
>seats.
>
>      "Come on, man.  This story is crazy."
>
>      It is?
>
>      "Yes, it is," you say.  "Besides, these people are messed up
>in the head.  They need a shrink.  They are mentally ill in the
>first place and they need professional help."
>
>      I see.  So you don't believe a pastor, or another Christian,
>could help such a person?
>
>      "No, man.  We have to leave such things up to the
>professionals."
>
>      Again, thank you Jesus for nothing.  So much for miracles.  I
>guess that died out with the last apostle; whoever he was.
>
>      There is one little problem with all this bilge you've been
>barfing up.  The pastor?  The masturbatory pastor?  Is somebody
>going to tell him he has to stay away from his penis, and all
>other penises in the world, if he wants victory over this sin, so
>called, and if that is what you are thinking, I wonder how his
>wife is going to feel about this advice when she learns you told
>him he has to give his penis up?  Ain't as funny, now, is it?
>
>      So, what's the answer.  The movie got it right the first time
>when the helping Christian, Gage, told his friend that Jesus was
>his answer.  His mistake was, he was wrong when he said that by
>getting born again, his problems were over, because God would help
>him, and then explained that this meant that God would help him
>give up computers.  Wrong, wrong, wrong, and more than a little
>stupid, but it was a movie after all and not really real.  Right?
>
>      Several years ago, I heard a news story.  It happened here in
>Colorado.  A man in his early sixties, retired, went out to go to
>the hardware store.  He turn the engine over, put the pickup in
>gear and slowly backed out of his driveway.  Hearing the crunch,
>he stopped, pulled forward slightly, and leaped out; running to
>the back of his pickup.  He had just run over his 4 year old
>granddaughter, riding her trike, and killed her.
>
>      For many years, the picture generated in my mind kept
>flashing back into my thoughts.  I could, at times, almost feel it
>in my emotions and I grieved for that man.  I often prayed the
>Lord would somehow bring someone to him to assist him in dealing
>with, not coping with, this horrible tragedy he had suffered.  The
>report on the news said he was getting psychological assistance.
>
>      Finally, one day, I sat down and began to think.  "Lord, what
>can you do for a grandfather like that?  Anything?"  I just didn't
>know and I was serious.  You can believe this or not but in my
>mind, the face of Jesus flashed and nearly filled up my entire
>inner vision.  I smiled when I saw his face because I cannot think
>of this grandfather now without the full face of Jesus appearing
>in my inner vision.  I also heard, felt is a better expression,
>what Jesus said when I asked Him to show, or tell, me what he
>could do for such a person.  His face filled my vision which means
>Jesus was saying, "I can be his complete life."  I felt much more
>being spoken into my grieving spirit that I felt for this man,
>too.  "I can," Jesus said into my thoughts, "Appear to him in this
>manner ever single time the horrible pictures and memories flash
>back into his mind."  I knew then what Jesus could do for a broken
>hearted man.  I know also what he can do for anyone, regardless of
>what it is, I know what Jesus can do.  I'm wondering if you know?
>Is it pornography, alcohol, drugs, sex, gambling, or something not
>even on the list?  Guess what?  Jesus can fix it once and for all
>and it won't be like in the movies either.
>
>
>It Sounds Like God To Me.
>www.SafePlaceFellowship.com
>
>
>
>
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