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Thanks for sharing this....I too thought it meant bad things that happened,
not temptation that I might face!
Still hard to count all bad thins or temptations that come my way all joy
though........still working on that one!
*smile*

Blessings!

Rhonda

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From: The Electronic Church [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
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When reading scripture I often times will find 
myself scouring through the passage bit by bit, 
word by word, through the Strong's Greek/Hebrew 
Dictionary. You can find some real gems of 
enlightenment doing this in various passages 
assumed to mean somewhat differently than when 
first read. As well it can challenge you to look 
at the content of the passage as it relates to 
surrounding scripture, as many times a word might 
mean exceeding joy; happiness; satisfaction, and 
also have in its definition, sadness; depression; 
or the like. Often times this isn't quite as easy 
to determine what is intended and one has need to 
look at the context of what is being said to get 
a clearer picture of the intent. Although reading 
this morning did not give such a north pole-south 
pole differentiation, I did pick up one bit of 
cool information which the meaning of one word, 
well actually two but mostly one word. The 
scripture is James 1:2 through 5 reading in the 
New American Standard Updated version:

"Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you 
encounter various trials, knowing that the 
testing of your faith produces endurance. And let 
endurance have its perfect result, so that you 
may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing."

How many of you were like I when reading that 
scripture and  paraphrased it as "I got to put on 
a smile through my rough times and hang in there 
with faith and  God will win, and I have faith in 
God, so I'll win... eventually"

Perhaps you have clearer insight on that verse, 
I'm happy to say reading this morning one word 
changed it for me. First let's get through the 
secondary reminder word that is often times read 
into a little thick on the depressing side of 
things, and then get to the word that to me at 
least, isn't so clear in the translation 
according to the definition when you look it up. 
The first word here is the word ""trials". Strong's defines it as:

a putting to proof (by experiment [of good], 
experience [of evil], solicitation, discipline or 
provocation); by implication, adversity: KJV - temptation, try.

So this word does have a meaning of bad things 
that happen but also temptations, provocations, 
that of being provoked towards something and such 
things. So it doesn't limit the application of 
this scripture to just a string of bad luck but 
also warding off temptations in our lives. The 
word various as a side note means diverse or even 
diverse in character, not knowing where it is 
derived even. So that is the secondary 
enlightenment or really more a reminder of what 
that word includes. The word that helped bring 
this scripture to life is the word count or as 
NASU says, consider. To me that always meant "do 
your best to count it towards the half full glass 
side of things". For instance maybe someone would 
knock my guitar over in the stand and bust the 
neck off and I would be feeling like I was just 
punched in the belly and now need to get myself 
sitting up straight again wondering how I'm going 
to handle this and somehow out of this patience, 
I'll be more complete. For you maybe its not a 
guitar, maybe it is a financial thing, we all 
know what that is about, or maybe a situation at 
work or the like where you are feeling a bit 
subservient or in some way you've been punched in 
the belly and need to try to stand up straight. 
Or, in the case of simple temptation you are 
tempted to download that music illegally… know 
one will know right? And those music industry 
folks make more than they need anyway and I don't 
make much, temptation's birth. Or maybe it's 
bringing home supplies from work and justifying 
it because you do think of work at home a lot and 
they got more than I have temptation's birth. Or 
maybe its that innocent flirting or joking with a 
co-worker or the neighbor and you are being 
tempted in your mind to follow through with 
something you ought not entertain even the idea 
of it. Whatever the temptation, this scripture 
applies to them as well as adversities.

So back to the word of the day, that being count, 
or consider. Strong's defines it as:

to lead, i.e. command (with official authority); 
figuratively, to deem, i.e. consider: KJV - 
account, (be) chief, count, esteem, governor, 
judge, have the rule over, suppose, think.

Are you getting the implication here in not only 
the context but the majority of the meaning? It 
is saying "walk with your head slumped, shuffling 
your feet on the ground, kicking  at it 
occasionally feeling like you can't do anything 
but try to look at the bright side", right? Oh. 
No? Hmmm. Well I guess you are right, it means 
"take the situation and be rule over it, don't 
feel you are subordinate to it just because if 
fell upon you or you fell in it". We walk outside 
many days in a year and find rain falling upon 
us. We don't just stay indoors, or walk out in it 
getting soaked to the bone. We find shelter, rain 
gear, umbrella or some sort of control over it 
despite it falling upon us. And, we can have that 
authoritative power over situations and 
temptations because we know God is with us, and 
will se us through it, and we can hold up a badge 
of courage like an officer of the law might when 
questioning a civilian. That gives him the right, 
the authority, and it gives the questionee, which 
in this case your trial or temptation, the 
feeling of subordination and you have the right 
and ability to take charge.

We humans, if we look at it are pretty small 
beings. Roughly 200 pounds give or take some, 
five to six feet tall, in light of the world 
surrounding us, we are pretty much weaklings 
lifting 100 pounds maybe as a general weight, 
some more, some less but you get the idea. In 
light of the buildings, the trees, the rocks, the 
lakes the mountains, the ground beneath us and 
even planets above us along with the atmosphere 
they reside, we are grains of sand on the beach. 
An yet, we build the buildings, we tunnel the 
earth, we move trees, we shoot shuttles into 
space, we manipulate rivers and lakes and 
otherwise take charge of our surroundings, even 
though those things are much bigger than us. 
Imagine if we, even as man without the 
consideration of God, which is probably what many 
in our history have done, imagine if they hadn't 
considered themselves chief over their passion, 
or the challenge? We'd still be clubbing our food 
for dinner and roasting it over an open fire. 
Well? Actually would we? If we didn't feel a 
sense of ability to be authority over a buffalo, 
a 2500 pound beast capable of stomping you into 
the ground, would we even attempt to use it as 
food? No. So why then do we feel subordinate to 
some situations in life? Maybe we can't see them? 
Or they are objects like finances that is there 
but you can't just pick a stick up and beat it 
out of your life. But we can take chief authority 
over those things. That doesn't mean we will 
control the world economy, just like we can't 
control the rain that falls down, but we can get 
an umbrella, to use our gifts of wisdom, 
knowledge and understanding and courage through 
knowing God is for us if we are in love with him.

So see how that one word, consider, is really 
take authority or, be chief over, just as much as 
it is, if not more so, to just contemplate and 
consider it joy. It's telling you to make joy the 
chief of your situations, authority. I'm sure 
you've heard the phrase… "If you think you can, 
you are right. If you think you can't, you are 
right". How we give perspective to things makes a 
difference in what we experience. And God makes 
it possible to have the authority in the first 
place because it is out of knowing he sees us 
through our trials, temptations, situations and 
dilemmas, gives us the right and instruction to 
allow joy to supersede adversity and temptations in this life.




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