the only point i was trying to make. 

--- "Cleveland, Kyle E."
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I believe Ken may have a point vis-à-vis the
> "legislation" issue.  Take, for example, the issue
> of "school busing" in the late '70s.  It was
> designed to give inner city kids access to the same
> opportunities as the kids from the burbs, but both
> groups--suburban and urban--despised the program. 
> The intent was noble, but the effect was misery.
> 
> You cannot legislate morality.  For the government
> to determine the difference between right and wrong,
> outside of fundamental truths in human society
> (e.g., don't murder, don't steal, etc.), is, indeed,
> a slippery slope.   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of ken
> barber
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:35 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: actually linda is right
> 
>   i really don't want to debate gay rights again,
> but,
> you leap without looking at what all the
> consequences
> are and you do so at your own periel. there are
> always
> consequences to every thing that is legislated and
> many times they are un-intended. 
>  
> --- "Michael H. Collis" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > Okay. Ken, how about this?  If a male
> transgendered
> > himself into a female,  then got married to a
> male,
> > would that be okay?  that's what happened to an
> > online jewish friend.  he met the person he ended
> up
> > marrying while the person was still male, A year
> > later the transgender process was complete and
> they
> > got married.  Then there are the hermaphrodites. 
> > Granted, they make up a very small percentage of
> the
> > population, but they have both genders.  what are
> we
> > to do with those people?    
> > 
> > ---- Original message ----
> > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:12:52 -0700
> > >From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>  
> > >Subject: Re: actually linda is right  
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > >you would not remove the guard rails that are at
> > the
> > >cliff edges at the grand canyon because of what
> is
> > >likely to happen. 
> > >
> > >you don't ignore the slippery slope that is there
> > >because it is prudent to look at what is likely
> to
> > >happen. 
> > >
> > >nothing to do with morals; everything to do with
> > good
> > >common sense. 
> > >
> > >--- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Ken,
> > >> 
> > >>   You know the one thing I learned while I was
> > >> teaching in that
> > >> Christian private school - is those people are
> > very
> > >> sincere in their
> > >> beliefs - and no I never mentioned I am Pagan
> nor
> > >> argued with one thing
> > >> said. As I said I learned they honestly and
> > >> sincerely believe what they
> > >> believe. And so it is everyone - so why would
> > anyone
> > >> think they would
> > >> bring you around to their way of thinking - we
> > can
> > >> never change anyone's
> > >> mind - they have see beyond the horizon of
> their
> > >> boundaries - a
> > >> uncomfortable play to be. 
> > >> 
> > >> I have no problem with gay marriages - if
> > polygamy
> > >> were a voluntary
> > >> state - not a brainwasher slave state - I could
> > >> perhaps see it but for
> > >> the most part since we have no positive role
> > models
> > >> here - it's hard to
> > >> make a judgement on it. I can see jealousy
> being
> > a
> > >> major factor in it
> > >> not being successful. I really don't think
> anyone
> > >> backs pedifiles. Of
> > >> course you do have some laws for young
> marriages.
> > I
> > >> think the thing is
> > >> view each item on its own merits and not lump
> > them
> > >> together because it
> > >> might lead down a slippery slope - blanket
> > >> com=ndemning things - could
> > >> be seen as going down a slippery slope also.
> > >> 
> > >>               Oooops got to run.....         
> > Trisha
> > >> (who is taking her
> > >> Mom shopping)
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > >> Of ken barber
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:36 PM
> > >> To: [log in to unmask]
> > >> Subject: actually linda is right
> > >> 
> > >> actually linda is right on the fact that i do
> not
> > >> post
> > >> much of controversy direct to the list as much
> as
> > i
> > >> once did. i am following the advice that i give
> > my
> > >> son
> > >> "choose your fights well and be sure they are
> > worth
> > >> the efford you are going to have to put in
> them."
> > i
> > >> post many things to about 3 or 4 people who for
> > the
> > >> most part do not agreee with my opinions, but
> > that i
> > >> 
> > >> know are not going to attack me for having my
> > >> opinions. 
> > >>   the last time i posted on an issue like this
> > one,
> > >> it
> > >> was entwined in with a discussion of not only
> > >> polygamy
> > >> but gay rights and other alternative
> lifestyles.
> > >> when
> > >> i said "many adults wanted sex with children" i
> > was
> > >> accused of "hate speech." after that post i got
> > >> quite
> > >> a load of off list email(from the tolerate
> > liberals
> > >> on
> > >> the list) and if you want to know hate speech
> you
> > >> should have been able to read a few of those.
> > that
> > >> lead me to post my "i will not be intimidated"
> by
> > >> this
> > >> tactic email. 
> > >>   now, since the subject is out here, these
> > people
> > >> are
> > >> Pedophiles. they are like a nest of vermin. you
> > >> attack
> > >> them in one place and they just move to another
> > and
> > >> produce anotherr nest. 
> > >>    linda's opinion that officials at the mormon
> > >> church
> > >> publicly  critisize polygamay while giving it a
> > wink
> > >> and a nod my  indeed be true. i can neither
> > confirm
> > >> nor disprove it. i know that the mormons that i
> > >> personally know do not like it.  the law
> > enforcement
> > >> and  politicos from arizona and utah might
> could
> > >> have
> > >> given texas a "heads up" if they knew these
> 
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