well one thing i am referring to here is the
historical fact that when mr lincoln issed the
emancepation proclamation only applying to the states
that had seceeded; at the time not actually under his
control. more than anything its only effect was to
encourage the slaves in the seceeded states to help
the north. in some cases there were blacks fighting
for the south. 
now there were slaves in the border states like
missouri that were actually under the control of the
union having not seceeded that mr lincoln could have
actually freed at the time. he did not even mention
them and they were freed after the war by an act of
congress. logically if mr lincoln had really had a
priority to free the slaves he'd have freed the ones
he  actually had the power to free at that time. 

deri's percentages shows a extraordinary number of
rich people in the souther states. i find it
questionable that in the 1850-1860's time frame that
they were that many rich people.: i think in one state
nearly 49 % of a state being rich? i do not know his
sources but those per cents are very questionable. and
when i say rich i mean rich. you had to be very
wealthy to own a slave. i find the term own a slave to
be offensive just to use it, but, i know not how to
convey it differently.  
--- ksalkin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Can you give me your sources on this, Ken?
> 
> (I'm sure Mr. Lincoln's primary focus was on saving
> the Union but I'm also
> pretty certain freeing the slaves was important to
> him or else he wouldn't
> have issued the Proclamation of Emancipation.)
> 
> Kat
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:59 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: I'm wondering about the dividing
> line...
> 
> aside from the percentages there are other things
> that
> are undeniable that would indicate that freeing the
> slaves did not take great precedence with mr.
> lincoln.
> 
> 
> --- Deri James <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > On Wednesday 09 April 2008 05:38:16 ken barber
> > wrote:
> > > states rights started to end with the "civil
> war."
> > > that is really what the war was about. the
> concept
> > > that the feds were a servant to the states and
> if
> > the
> > > servant did not serve the states the states
> could
> > fire
> > > the feds by come out of the union.
> > > slavery? not the real issue. only 4 % of people
> > > (including U.S. GRANT) were wealthy enough to
> own
> > > slaves. it is inconcievable that 96 % would
> fight
> > for
> > > something that would not benefit them. just goes
> > > against human nature. does not compute. but the
> > winner
> > > gets to write history.
> > >   the states have very little rights now.
> > 
> > The 4% figure you quote is based on the whole of
> > "The South" if you "... 
> > consider the seven states of the lower South in
> the
> > precise order of their 
> > secession from the Union: South Carolina with 48.7
> > percent of the white 
> > families owning slaves; Mississippi with 48
> percent;
> > Florida with 36 percent; 
> > Alabama with 35.1 percent; Georgia with 38
> percent;
> > Louisiana with 32.2 
> > percent; and Texas with 28.5 percent."
> > 
> > Very interesting article titled " Historians and
> the
> > extent of slave ownership 
> > in the Southern United States. By Otto H. Olsen"
> > describing how this over 
> > emphasis on the "narrowness" of slave ownership
> came
> > about. (I know you like 
> > proper history articles Ken).
> > 
> >
>
<http://www.southernhistory.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=articl
> e&sid=9406&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0>
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Deri
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