I believe Ken may have a point vis-à-vis the "legislation" issue. Take, for example, the issue of "school busing" in the late '70s. It was designed to give inner city kids access to the same opportunities as the kids from the burbs, but both groups--suburban and urban--despised the program. The intent was noble, but the effect was misery.
You cannot legislate morality. For the government to determine the difference between right and wrong, outside of fundamental truths in human society (e.g., don't murder, don't steal, etc.), is, indeed, a slippery slope.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of ken barber
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:35 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: actually linda is right
i really don't want to debate gay rights again, but,
you leap without looking at what all the consequences
are and you do so at your own periel. there are always
consequences to every thing that is legislated and
many times they are un-intended.
--- "Michael H. Collis" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Okay. Ken, how about this? If a male transgendered
> himself into a female, then got married to a male,
> would that be okay? that's what happened to an
> online jewish friend. he met the person he ended up
> marrying while the person was still male, A year
> later the transgender process was complete and they
> got married. Then there are the hermaphrodites.
> Granted, they make up a very small percentage of the
> population, but they have both genders. what are we
> to do with those people?
>
> ---- Original message ----
> >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:12:52 -0700
> >From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: actually linda is right
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> >you would not remove the guard rails that are at
> the
> >cliff edges at the grand canyon because of what is
> >likely to happen.
> >
> >you don't ignore the slippery slope that is there
> >because it is prudent to look at what is likely to
> >happen.
> >
> >nothing to do with morals; everything to do with
> good
> >common sense.
> >
> >--- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Ken,
> >>
> >> You know the one thing I learned while I was
> >> teaching in that
> >> Christian private school - is those people are
> very
> >> sincere in their
> >> beliefs - and no I never mentioned I am Pagan nor
> >> argued with one thing
> >> said. As I said I learned they honestly and
> >> sincerely believe what they
> >> believe. And so it is everyone - so why would
> anyone
> >> think they would
> >> bring you around to their way of thinking - we
> can
> >> never change anyone's
> >> mind - they have see beyond the horizon of their
> >> boundaries - a
> >> uncomfortable play to be.
> >>
> >> I have no problem with gay marriages - if
> polygamy
> >> were a voluntary
> >> state - not a brainwasher slave state - I could
> >> perhaps see it but for
> >> the most part since we have no positive role
> models
> >> here - it's hard to
> >> make a judgement on it. I can see jealousy being
> a
> >> major factor in it
> >> not being successful. I really don't think anyone
> >> backs pedifiles. Of
> >> course you do have some laws for young marriages.
> I
> >> think the thing is
> >> view each item on its own merits and not lump
> them
> >> together because it
> >> might lead down a slippery slope - blanket
> >> com=ndemning things - could
> >> be seen as going down a slippery slope also.
> >>
> >> Oooops got to run.....
> Trisha
> >> (who is taking her
> >> Mom shopping)
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> >> Of ken barber
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:36 PM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: actually linda is right
> >>
> >> actually linda is right on the fact that i do not
> >> post
> >> much of controversy direct to the list as much as
> i
> >> once did. i am following the advice that i give
> my
> >> son
> >> "choose your fights well and be sure they are
> worth
> >> the efford you are going to have to put in them."
> i
> >> post many things to about 3 or 4 people who for
> the
> >> most part do not agreee with my opinions, but
> that i
> >>
> >> know are not going to attack me for having my
> >> opinions.
> >> the last time i posted on an issue like this
> one,
> >> it
> >> was entwined in with a discussion of not only
> >> polygamy
> >> but gay rights and other alternative lifestyles.
> >> when
> >> i said "many adults wanted sex with children" i
> was
> >> accused of "hate speech." after that post i got
> >> quite
> >> a load of off list email(from the tolerate
> liberals
> >> on
> >> the list) and if you want to know hate speech you
> >> should have been able to read a few of those.
> that
> >> lead me to post my "i will not be intimidated" by
> >> this
> >> tactic email.
> >> now, since the subject is out here, these
> people
> >> are
> >> Pedophiles. they are like a nest of vermin. you
> >> attack
> >> them in one place and they just move to another
> and
> >> produce anotherr nest.
> >> linda's opinion that officials at the mormon
> >> church
> >> publicly critisize polygamay while giving it a
> wink
> >> and a nod my indeed be true. i can neither
> confirm
> >> nor disprove it. i know that the mormons that i
> >> personally know do not like it. the law
> enforcement
> >> and politicos from arizona and utah might could
> >> have
> >> given texas a "heads up" if they knew these
> people
> >> were in texas. every state has their own law
> >> enforcement.
> >> like i said these are Pedophiles. this bunch
> >> hides
> >> behind "religion."
> >> when you talk of pedophiles though, you have
> to
> >> go
> >> after them all. you also talk of the judges who
> turn
> >> these convicted beast loose back on the streets
> (and
> >> back on our kids) with little or no years in
> jail.
> >> you
> >> talk of the states where a few politicos block
> >> passage
> >> of some version of jessica's law in their state.
> off
> >> the top of my head i think off Mass. WHERE ONE
> >> DEMOCRAT POLITICIAN HAS BLOCK A VOTE IN THE
> >> LEGISLATURE FOR 2 YEARS.
> >> you can't just get after the dirty old men who
> want
> >> young girls, you have to think of older women who
> >> want
> >> young boys. i think of one in forida who was "too
> >> pretty to go to jail."
> >> there are men who want young boys and women who
> want
> >> young girls. they are all pedophiles.
> >> now i will reap the opinion that got so much
> heat.
> >> when you start redefining marriage as something
> >> different that one woman married to one man to
> >> accommodate one alternate lifestyle, you are
> going
> >> to
> >> have another group go before some pinhead judge
> and
> >> asking "ratify me too." where does it stop once
> you
> >> are on the slippery slope?
> >> if you think this is hate speech and want to
> email
> >> me; DON'T BOTHER.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>
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